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This OS is driving me nuts. I've seen Explorer.exe crash during OOBE twice. You can't disable Cortana (or that search thing on the taskbar) without logging into a MS account. And now this... I've been using Win10 on a 4k notebook... It went to sleep and upon waking, certain elements of Windows are WAY TOO BIG. OK its cool. Not sure what happened... how did my icons get so big. I just had to take a screenshot of this! well... then this happened... Is that really necessary? ps: I was torn as to whether I should put this post here or in the Funny Farm...

Audit Mode: "Normal" Mode: The average temp is a little higher, but while in "Normal" mode, it will spike occasionally. It does not do this in Audit Mode. I will say that this "Normal" test was done without having anything open and having no internet connection.

Oddly enough... I am able to deploy and boot an image of Windows 10 build 10074... just wanted to point it out.

Split from this thread (the one in question) http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/173791-too-high-disk-usage-because-of-ntoskrnlexe/

OK I wasn't sure... I think the "does the computer need to be on" part was throwing me off. I'm sure we'll see the ability to install updates while the PC is off in some future version of Windows.

On the side, regarding temperature in Windows 10 altogether... I found that the idle temp is lower in Windows 10 while in Audit Mode. It may have been an error in my part as I had done all my tests while in Audit Mode of each OS. I had made an image of the Windows 10 OS after doing the video test, and then did a deployment test to make sure the image worked... because of weird usernames and goofy fonts reasons. After going through OOBE the fans kicked up to an audible level, same type increase I heard when doing HTML5 on Chrome.

It sounds like you can use Make_PE3: http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/143529-make-pe3-program-to-create-portable-windows-7-pe/ Although there are many other PE builders out there. It is not legal to use WinPE as an OS and it shouldn't be installed on a PC. Microsoft makes other products to be used as thin clients, specifically in the Embedded line and the upcoming IoT products with Windows 10.

What is the question?

I did look it up and had found that "Administrator_ploc" was reported as far back as Windows 7 Beta, at least. Not sure about the strange fonts. I also got it into Audit Mode via answer file, I will try the old-reliable (Ctrl+Shift+F3) tomorrow and see if it makes a difference. I'm just concerned about doing dev work on this version of the OS where half the things I need to work do not, and other things make it look corrupted.

I don't think so. As they say... YMMV. Considering different hardware and software used, I think that in order to fully understand the why Windows 10 runs hotter in some instances than others, more tests would need to be done. And then to figure out in what conditions is this the case. This isn't so say the sdt is wrong in saying that Windows 10 runs hotter on his PC than Windows 7 on his PC... I'd wonder if he can also do the Youtube 4k test and see if the results are the same. Or try other media players besides VLC. If the source of the 4k video is on the HDD or ODD, then maybe their extra use is adding to the general increase of temperature on the system? What about other things that might be running? My tests were done on new installs with minimal software installed and in an air conditioned building. Also perhaps the internal cooling flow of a notebook differs greatly from that of a desktop? Anyways, it seems only that my test shows there is no flaw within Windows 10 causing an overly large spike in temperature on the CPU when trying to play 4k video at fullscreen.

Content in the System Reserved (300MB) partition may change for a variety of reasons. What I can think of is Bitlocker (encryption) or fiddling with the BCD. The BCD contains the files used to locate where the OS is located, and any other boot options such as to run recovery, startup repair or whatnot. You can think of the BCD as a modern day (read overly complicated) version of the boot.ini in XP. One example of the BCD changing would be if you were to install a newer Windows OS to make a dual boot. Recovery partition might only have the WindowsRE boot image and a factory image used for reinstalling Windows. However, it also depends on the manufacturer of the computer and if they are using the MS recovery software or their own thing. If it is the regular Microsoft way, that partition should not change over time. In the case of a disk failure, you may or may not have difficulty restoring your backups since it sounds like you are making partition backups. I do not know the capabilities of the TeraByte program you are using, but make sure to see if there is a guide for doing a restore based on Windows 7 and if there are any problems. The only software I've personally used to restore/image a failed Windows 7 OS (without having to get into advanced things like the BCD) is using Ghost 12, but that was using full disk images. Maybe others have used the TeraByte software (or something else) and can chime in.

It appears this only happens in Audit Mode. User and Group descriptions and names look normal after running sysprep. Also the Start Menu and taskbar work normally now.

Windows 10 is a pain. The Start Menu and task bar does not work so I won't be able to test with the Spartan browser. Maybe I can do some updates and see what happens later. 4k Windows 10 Build 10074 x64 Chrome Flash CPU 48-66c, Video 47-50c 4k Windows 10 Build 10074 x64 Chrome HTML5 CPU 51-69c, Video 47-49c 4k Windows 10 Build 10074 x64 IE11 Flash CPU 49-58c, Video 46-48c The only bump I am seeing is HTML5 in all the tests. In most test cases, I would only test using IE, however since it was a Google website I decided to test Chrome as well. It is likely that other browsers that default to the HTML5 mode on Youtube will also see a temperature increase. Now all 9 tests together. 4k Windows 7PRO x64 Chrome Flash CPU 49-70c, Video 49-50c4k Windows 7PRO x64 Chrome HTML5 CPU 49-79c, Video 43-49c4k Windows 7PRO x64 IE10 Flash CPU 44-70c, Video 44-50c4k Windows 8.1PRO x64 Chrome Flash CPU 47-57c, Video 47-49c4k Windows 8.1PRO x64 Chrome HTML5 CPU 49-79c, Video 43-47c4k Windows 8.1PRO x64 IE11 Flash CPU 46-63c, Video 45-49c 4k Windows 10 10074 x64 Chrome Flash CPU 48-66c, Video 47-50c4k Windows 10 10074 x64 Chrome HTML5 CPU 51-69c, Video 47-49c4k Windows 10 10074 x64 IE11 Flash CPU 49-58c, Video 46-48cManufacturer has 2 different drivers. One for Windows 7 and one for Windows 8. Windows 10 testing was done with the Windows 8 driver. Also to note that the CPU temp threashold was not met on Windows 10, so no screaming fans.

Went into CMD and noticed the user account was Administrator_ploc, so I went into the Users and Groups cpl and see these: Groups are hit and miss... What is the cause of this?

Oh should it be prefaced with "56k warning" like the good old days? Anyways, another comparison can be seen with the full screenshots as to how 4k resolution works on Win 7 vs 8.1. Win10 may be a bit... I also wanted to have the full Hwmonitor info available if anyone wanted to see it. Windows 8.1 test done 4k 8.1PRO64 Chrome Flash CPU 47-57c, Video 47-49c 4k 8.1PRO64 Chrome HTML5 CPU 49-79c, Video 43-47c 4k 8.1PRO64 IE11 Flash CPU 46-63c, Video 45-49c

Due to 4k image size, I am using Imgur to put up the pictures. Temperatures noted in description for each. So far only Windows 7 tested. Chrome with HTML5 is certainly the hottest of the bunch, just starting to play the video at full screen caused all fans to speed way up. Flash based 4k does not have this happen in either IE10 or Chrome. I used a plug-in from the Chrome store in order to force Youtube to show videos in Flash rather than HTML5. WARNING: Screenshots in this album at at 4k resolution... old timey "56k Warning" be advised. http://imgur.com/a/sv38a

It is certainly possible to render web-based resources in WinPE under system using either portable browsers or HTA as the System account. What is the requirement for the account to have a different name?

Efficiency is really determined in two ways: 1. This new hardware/software is much more efficient than this other one I am used to using! (this is opinion based) 2. This new hardware/software is more more efficient compared to these other hardware software combinations, measured using the scientific method and all sorts of details/complicated analyzers and gadgets! (this one is "fact" based) #1 is not feasible because I would not be able to say the thing I have that sdt has not used is more efficient than the thing sdt has and I have not used. #2 is technically possible but I am not willing to put that much effort into it. That's something those benchmarking websites are for.

Ok thanks. I will give it a shot next week when I have access to the system again. I will note that I will be using a notebook to do these tests. Specifically, this one: http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/173469-uefi-installation-on-a-4k-native-display/ You did not specify what type of computer or what hardware you are using, it could be possible that I will get different results. Drivers may also play a part in seeing a difference. I do know that Windows 7 is not natively compatible with 4k resolution, which might also be a factor. Since the notebook I have is not to be used with Windows 7, I will also try Windows 8.1.

Yes it is real. Hardware manufacturers had access to them for when they put a particular system configuration/hardware/software through the Windows Logo Program. If the system, hardware or software passed the program, the manufacturer was given the labels to affix on products for sale. https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/logo_testing.mspx?mfr=true They were made in XP, XPx64 and XP/XPx64 varieties. They are an aluminum (or some other metal) label. I have found, through searching, that there are some for sale on one website, however I am not certain if they are legit, heat removed, or if they are repros. I used these search terms and went to Google Images. designed Xp x64 badgeThere may be cases where Logo certified products in retail packaging have included the label on its own, similar to how if you buy a retail Intel CPU it comes with the CPU case badge, or AOpen products include a Powered by AOpen label.

If the computer is not part of a domain and has no active GPOs on it, I would look for possible infections. There are many viruses (and even their preventative counterparts) that can block applications from being executed. However, running the file from another place and after being renamed may work.

I don't think it will work out for me to try this. Do you have any other examples of seeing this temperature difference that doesn't involve downloading movies?

One thing I can tell from a lot of these screenshots (which I suspect are coming from people testing on desktops with normal size displays) is that there is a lot of wasted or whitespace in cpls, notifications, or what not.

Yes, VLC being a video player... however is it playing content that is local to the system, from a disc or from a website? My questions were for replication reasons. I have 1 system here that has a 4k display and thought I might be able to see this difference.

This site seems to have the release date. http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-release-date-price-news-and-features-1029245