Dave-H

Just wanted to report that I patched my IO.SYS using the MS patch and then rloew's latest patch, and no problems. I was a bit apprehensive as the last time i tried anything like that all my drive letters got scrambled! http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/118119-patched-iosys-for-98se-and-me/page__view__findpost__p__768159 Fortunately all OK this time, I guess I'll never know what happened before!

I've been following this discussion with interest, and decided to see what's on my Windows 98SE installation. I have two IO.SYS files on the system, one in the root of C:\ which is dated 23/04/99 22.22, which I assume is the 98SE original version. I also have a copy in my Emergency Boot Disk folder, which is dated 01/12/01 09.37. The two files are not the same as they are slightly different sizes. I've not had any problem accessing drives, so should I worry about applying any or all of these patches?

I don't use Windows 2000 now, but when I did I used KDW to install Movie Maker 2.6 and it worked fine, apart from some of the icons not displaying properly, which was never resolved. If you search this thread you'll find my posts about it. I didn't get any error messages on running it though. If it's complaining about not being able to find certain files, search to see if those files are actually on your system. For some reason you may really be missing some files that Movie Maker 2 needs. If the file it's asking for is on the system (probably in the system32 folder), try copying (not moving) the file into the Movie Maker folder. This may enable it to find and use it when it couldn't before.

PROBLEMCHYLD, I see you removed a couple of your recent posts. Does that mean that the updated version of the SP that I downloaded yesterday from one of the posts you've removed is not the current release any more?

Thanks. I'd actually already seen from the Nokia site's source code that its fonts were defined using a style sheet. I didn't mention it earlier as I thought it would only muddy the waters. I hadn't set any Opera site preferences for that site to identify or mask as another browser, but I will try that and see if it cures the problem. I'm still puzzled as to why it doesn't happen on Windows XP, only on Windows 98, when Opera's settings are identical on both OSs. Anyway, this is way off topic!

You're right, it's fine in IE6, at least as far as the fonts go. It looks a right mess in other ways, but I guess that's because the site doesn't support IE6 any more! Thanks, I think I may take it up on the Opera user forum, as it looks pretty certain it's nothing to do with KernelEx. I still think it's strange that the problem only shows in Windows 98 and not in Windows XP though! That's because I have a custom button there to launch the displayed page in IE if it doesn't appear to work properly in Opera! A lot of the time they don't display properly in IE either, but sometimes they do.

There's nothing wrong with the "O" word! My win.ini Font Substitutes section looks like this - [FontSubstitutes] Helv=MS Sans Serif Tms Rmn=MS Serif Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial MS Shell Dlg=MS Sans Serif MS Shell Dlg 2=MS Sans Serif Monotype.com=Andale Mono Looks OK to me. Changing the encoding settings on Opera doesn't fix it either. It is purely a display problem, as if I copy and paste the faulty text into Notepad, it displays in English. I have found one possibly significant thing though, purely by chance. The font displayed changes on some text on those Nokia web pages when the pages are zoomed in and out! At the default zoom, the faulty text displays in what looks like Greek. At other zoom settings it changes to different fonts, but all using readable Latin characters. In XP, it always stays the same, which looks like Arial. Very strange! This is completely off-topic if it's not something caused by using KernelEx of course, but I would be very interested to know if anyone else can reproduce it.

No such issue here and I guess you mean Opera 11.52 which is the current official release, betas and alphas being 11.60.x and 12.x respectively AFAIK. Perhaps a missing font and/or some default codepage issue on your system I would guess. Oops, sorry yes I did mean Opera 11.52! Thanks for the feedback, good to know it's not like that for everyone, so I will investigate the cause further. Strange that it should be OK in XP and not in 98. It's the same installation of Opera, with all the same settings. (It's set up for single user so all the settings are in the Opera folder and its sub-folders, not in user folders.)

I've just noticed a strange effect when running Opera 11.54 on 98SE with KernelEx. I found it when visiting Nokia's site. This is how one of the pages looks in XP - And this is how it looks in 98SE! - I thought the headings were in Greek at first glance, but in places it looks as if it's trying to display English text using the Greek alphabet! Is this a known problem?

Glad you sorted out the folder naming problem! Just one suggestion ProblemChyld. Are you declaring this to be a final release of SP3? If so, it should be called 3.0 and should not then be subsequently altered. Any subsequent fixes or additions should be SP3.1, 3.2 etc. The title of this thread should be changed to "98 SE SP 3" too, or a new thread started. Drop the "beta" if it no longer is a beta.

Thanks Problemchyld for doing this. The project had been apparently abandoned for far too long. I do hope Gape's OK. Thanks for picking it up and running with it. I installed the last final version SP2.1a years ago, and have added a lot of other unofficial patches since then manually, including using the last version of Soporific's Autopatcher. I don't think my system is now missing anything of importance so I probably won't install this SP version, but it's downloaded and waiting should I ever need to reinstall things! Thanks again. Dave.

That will be the last full version of Autopatcher, from December 2007. It should be a 286 MB file. However there was a 45 MB update version subsequently released in December 2008, which was the last issued. You need the full version installed before you can apply the update version.

Just one suggestion, looking at that reg file. My Windows 98SE installation is not in the default C:\Windows location, it is in C:\WIN-98 on my system. For the service pack to take customised installations into account, would it not be better to use environment variables, e.g. in this case %windir%\command\cmd.exe?

Thanks. That's very interesting. I probably will keep the version I have already as I've never run into the problem that the patch addresses.

Yes, that may be the way to go. Have you tried running your existing Opera and selecting "check for updates" under the help menu? That did seem to work for me when the standalone installer failed. You will then have to apply KernelEx Windows 2000 SP4 compatibility mode to the opera.exe file.

I think you have to set the KernelEx mode on the Opera installer to Windows 2000 SP4, not XP. IIRC I did try other modes myself, and they didn't work.

As a longtime Opera fan, I want to always use the latest versions and keep them working on the Windows 98 side of my machine, and I'm using 11.51 with KernelEx with no problems apart from a few minor cosmetic ones. All functionality is fine and it's very fast indeed.

Mines is the rloew patched version. Ah, thanks. What was the patch for? Would there be any advantage to me using that version instead of the one I have?

Can't help with creating an installer I'm afraid, but just thought I'd mention that my version of KERNEL32.DLL is 4.10.0.2226, which looks later than the one quoted.

That's exactly what soporific's Autopatcher was. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated for several years now.

Of course not, although Microsoft do seem to be now doing their best to finally sweep it under the carpet. There's still a huge amount of information on the MS site relating to Windows 98 though, even though the Windows Update service for it has been withdrawn. Like any OS, Windows 98 will only truly die when there is no computer left in the world running it, and that's a very long way away yet!

Thanks, that works! I can now open the iuhist file in IE, but I need to find a (preferably free) program that will convert it to an html file that's more readable. I've found a couple but they aren't free and the demo versions won't convert the whole file. I don't really want to buy the program just to use it once only! I really wish I'd saved the whole Windows Update 4 site, but of course I didn't know that it was going to be shut down without warning!

Well I got another response from MS Support. "Dear Dave, Thank you for your reply. I am sorry to inform you that Windows Update 4 including security updates for Windows® 98 has been withdrawn. Please visit the following website for more information: http://support.microsoft.com/ph/1139 If you have any more questions please contact our Customer Services team on 0844 800 2400. The lines are open from 8am to 6pm, Monday to Friday, excluding public holidays or please reply to this email Many thanks for contacting us......." So that's it then, it's definitely been permanently withdrawn. I guess that we were lucky that it stayed on-line for a full five years after Windows 98/ME support ended! If anyone isn't aware, you can tidy things up by setting the "NoWindowsUpdate" setting at "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer" to "0". This will remove the Windows Update entry from Start Menu>Settings and from the IE Tools menu. One thing I would like to be able to still do is open my updates history file properly in IE6. If I try and open my "iuhist.xml" in IE6, it doesn't display, because it seems to need a file called "resultschema.xml", which is normally downloaded from the Windows Update site. Of course this no longer happens, and I don't have this file anywhere on my system. Does anyone still have a version of this file, (perhaps even still in your IE6 cache)? If so, if it's possible to let me have a copy I would be very grateful.

Indeed it does! If you're still using Opera, are you aware that you can re-enable javascript on a site by site basis? This would enable you to still use js on sites that are unusable without it.

Thanks.