Dave-H

Has anyone actually got this to install? For me it just hangs on "Execute: C:\Windows\system32\Adobe\Director\SwDnld.exe /regserver" and never goes any further.

Big problem with the new version of HDAICOUT.HDA I'm afraid. After the boot gets to the desktop I get this - If I press "OK" it briefly tries to continue booting, but then permanently freezes. Restoring the original file makes everything return to normal.

That's why I wanted to use the even numbered versions, because they supposedly have extra features, but I can't say I've noticed any difference!

Also my Windows 10 Java installation has updated from Update 202 to Update 211, instead of 212! There now seems to be no way of getting the Update 212 files without having an account with Oracle.

You seem to have to have an Oracle account now to download the files, unless I'm doing something wrong!

I guess Mozilla had to maintain support because a huge number of sites still use Flash unfortunately, including many where it's not at all obvious why! When I have the Flash plugin set to "ask to activate" on Firefox, loads of sites, including online banking sites, ask if they can run it. When I allow it, often nothing seems to actually change, so what the Flash plugin is actually doing must be well hidden!

The gsreamer.dll doesn't seem to have any version information, but the one I'm using, from Opera 12.02, is dated 3rd August 2012. The one from 12.18, which I still have installed on XP, is from 16th February 2016. These two videos I have had playing, but it's very inconsistent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb0Ih0pxV1A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27qp189oiFo I can click on a video and it won't play, then click on another which will, and then try the first one again and it will play! Very strange. The ones which play first show an icon in the centre which is a white ring with a gap at the bottom. Right clicking on them produces the normal HTML5 menu, so I don't think they're using Flash.

Thanks! WINMM.DLL and MSACM.DRV were in WIN98_44.CAB on my disk, but I soon found them. They are all the original versions except for WINMM.DLL, which is 4.3.0.2201 instead of 4.3.0.1998. I suspect the file was updated at some point back in the mists of time. Is that likely to cause an issue here? I use the Windows 98 SFC all the time to check changes to the system files on Windows XP (sadly system updates have now just ended) but I haven't used it to actually replace a file for donkeys' years! Not sure what you mean here. I don't actually have a "normal PCI sound card", I've been using boards with only on-board sound for years now. It is my fallback to get one if what we're doing here doesn't work out.

Ah, thank you that explains it and that's good to know, so at least I can now anticipate when my copy of Skype 7 will stop working! I'd better just make sure that I never log out! Cheers, Dave.

Thanks again @jumper!

My version is 7.36.0.150, still working now! The only anomaly (which has been there for a long time) is that the Skype home page doesn't display. I either get "Skype Home unavailable" or an Outlook login page.

Thanks @jumper!

Bizarrely Skype 7.36 is still working on my main machine under XP! It's the only copy of Skype 7 I have which is still working. I know it won't last, but I'm just surprised that is hasn't been blocked yet.

If you're seeing the same problem with the speed dial tiles as I am, that's good in a way, as that means it's not just a problem on my system, and it's probably actually something that can't be fixed. I can live with it! I tried YouTube and found that no videos would play with the gstreamer folder from 12.18, all just saying they couldn't find any compatible codecs. When I substituted the folder with the 12.02 version, some videos would then play, but not very well, and lot of jerking and jumping. I guess that's not fixable either, but at least they do play! I guess that 12.18 relied on codecs from the OS, whereas 12.02 didn't and provided them, itself? Cheers, Dave.

I will check the versions against the original Windows 98SE CD versions, but can you tell me where they are? In one or more of the cabinet files presumably, and there are lots of them! Some of my system files have been updated over the years, in fact some are replaced with the Windows ME versions! Here are the two files you asked for - HDAICIN.TXT HDALOG.TXT I'll check the last thing you mentioned out tomorrow and leat you know. Cheers, Dave.

Do you find that your speed dial images are now too big for their frames, which makes the speed dial look ugly? They were OK when just using 12.02 as it was. Not really a problem as they still work OK, but just wondering if this is an intrinsic problem now or whether it can be fixed. I haven't actually checked out YouTube on the new installation, but I will do that.

OK, I tried this and it seems to be fine, thanks for the tip @Goodmaneuver! I didn't need to copy the gtreamer folder across, just opera.dll and html5_entity_init.dat. It seems to be working fine, what might not be OK if I don't copy over the gstreamer folder, just so I know before I delete the 12.02 version?!

I take it there's no more progress on this? I notice that Eudora on Windows 98SE, presumably using the IE6 engine, also has a delay displaying the e-mails from Sky, but it's nowhere near as long as it is on XP. The difference seems to be that when the e-mails display on Windows 98 they don't include the header image, which is what appears to be causing the long delay. Frankly if just that could be suppressed to make them display faster on XP I would be very happy!

I love the way it says "This hotfix has been discontinued. Instead, you can upgrade to Windows 10 and get the most up-to-date security and other features built right in." Thanks a bunch Microsoft!

It's not impossible of course, but I would be surprised if they turn off Windows Update quite that quickly! Microsoft Update should be kept going anyway, as it supports things like Office 2010 which is still in support, but I suppose they could just turn round and say it isn't supported on XP any more, which they've as good as said already by not correcting an XP incompatible update they rolled out to it!

I checked those files, and they are all present in the WIN-98\System folder. MMSYSTEM.DLL 4.3.0.1998 WINMM.DLL 4.3.0.2201 MSACM.DLL 4.3.0.1998 MSACM.DRV 4.3.0.1998 MSACM32.DLL 4.3.0.1998 msacm.drv is shown under the wavemapper entry in the registry.

Thanks, I'll give that a try! I didn't think that opera.exe version 12.18 would run on Windows 98, even with KernelEx.

Thanks again! I tried changing that BIOS setting, but it didn't seem to make any difference to anything. I also tried booting up with the loudspeakers connected to all six of the jacks on the motherboard one by one, but not a peep from the speakers on any of them. The "HDA Sound" entry in the Multimedia Control Panel applet still comes and goes. There's always something there, but often it's unlabelled. Strangely, even when it's unlabelled and blank, its registry entry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper is still there and looks correct, but the name isn't being displayed.

I have Opera 12.02 on Windows 98 (with KernelEx) and Opera 12.18 on Windows XP on my multi-boot system. If I copy the Windows XP Opera 12.18 folder to the Windows 98 Opera 12.02 folder, will it work as long as I don't copy opera.dll? I would be amazed (and delighted) if that's true!

Just out of interest, I also tried running the DOS Media Player in Windows in a DOS box, It went through all the motions exactly as in pure DOS, but didn't produce any sound. I connected the speakers to all the sockets, both in that mode and with testing the Windows sounds, but nothing.