NotHereToPlayGames

No offense, but I call "BS". Remember that 360Chrome v13.5 (your Netscape'd skin says 13.5 in the title bar!) is based off of Chrome v86 and was released in October of 2020. So you should compare apples to apples and that means comparing to Mozilla browsers from 2020! The Mozilla browser from 2020 have certificate error "BS" also. Hit or miss, depends on which "Mozilla" browser you are using and which web site cert is in question.

Agreed!

Bingo! I personally subscribe to the notion that everything needs to run on ONE fuel source (gasoline). Then that ONE fuel source is "regulated" (though I generally disagree with government intervention in the private sector). The "regulation" being that the price is INTENTIONALLY elevated to be "just out of reach" for the "stay-at-home-mom" - so that she doesn't drive to the grocery store throughout the week a DOZEN times. I subscribe to the belief that when gas prices are HIGH, the consumer stops WASTING it. This has been demonstrated by the drop in restaurant business during high gas prices. People drive less when gas prices are high. We have a society that will take TWENTY trips to the grocery store per week intead of ONE. That is WASTEFUL usage of gasoline.

It truly is amazing what people will throw away these days. I have two new-to-me freebie laptops just within the last week. Not that I "need" them, I'm up to nine computers scattered throughout the house and garage - all used at least once every two weeks or so but far from being used every day. They are both i3 laptops and still have the original "stickers" (my OCD has me removing "stickers" before I even install software!). Both circa 2014, both originally came with Win7 (still have the Win7 "stickers"). Both have Win10 on them and my guess is the owners found them too slow once "upgrading". I have my beloved XP on them now but have been experimenting with slipstreaming and tweaking Win7. One's a 17" and has a number keypad! First laptop I've ever owned with a number keypad to the right of the keyboard - and somebody just threw it away! Probably because (like most laptop owners tend to do) it was plugged in 100% of the time so the battery is DEAD because it was never depleted and charged on a regular basis, just plugged in 100% of the time. The other is a 15.5" and also has a number keypad! But an "extra" key between the left Shift and Z keys that will take some getting used to. If I were to rate them from 0 to 10 with 0 being "junk" and 10 being "brand new", I'd put them both at 9. No scratches, no faded keyboard lettering due to high usage, not even wear and tear from plugging and unplugging USB devices over the years. I've paid for "refurbished" devices straight from the factory that weren't in as good as condition as these - and somebody just threw them away because they don't know how to properly maintain a laptop battery.

I'll phrase that differently for better monetary understanding - I will NEVER understand why ANYBODY would pay more than ONE QUARTER of a WEEKLY paycheck for a TV.

I hear you there. Only six short years ago, all I had were three tube TVs - a 40+ year old 17" color Zenith that still worked when I gave in and trashed it three years ago (once broadcasts went "digital", I couldn't give it away), a 24" flatscreen-tube Sony Trinitron knockoff but forget the name brand, and a 28" Sony Trinitron that took two people to carry it! My brother was first in the family to buy a "big screen tv". An impressive 50" that hung on the wall and if you sat on the living room couch directly opposite, you were in awe and amazement but if you sat anywhere else the picture quality was miserable at what was historically considered a normal viewing angle. My brother would "brag" that he spent $3,500 at a pawn shop for a TV that retailed brand new for over $10,000! Circa 2001-2002. He barely made $25,000 per YEAR and it took him FIVE YEARS to pay off that TV. He'd go to the pawn shop WEEKLY and fork over anywhere from $10 to $30 (unsure why it was not a fixed dollar amount). My brother was not mathematically-inclined enough to calculate interest charges and realize he ended up paying, by my estimates, anywhere from $5,000 to $6,000. I was making $54,000 per year and my brother made fun of me for owning tube TVs all the way up to only six short years ago. I kept telling him, NO WAY IN HADES WILL I SPEND $3,000 FOR A TV, that I will wait for the prices to come down. I'm now up to four wall-hanging widescreen TVs. The biggest is 'only' 48" and it only cost me $320 and the other three all cost less than that! None of them are "smart" TVs but they ALL have "smart" capability by adding a $30 Roku via HDMI. I will NEVER understand why anybody would pay more than $350 or so for a TV.

Win 7 (and Win 10) can be heavily tweaked (just like most of us do with XP) and remove all of the useless garbage like desktop "Gadgets", Win "Defender", "Action" Center, et cetera. I use NTLite and WinReducerEX. RT7 works well also but I seem to have better success with NTLite and WinReducerEX. I have a copy of Vista also but never saw any benefit to it over 7. My primary computer will remain XP but there's just too much writing on the wall for me to see it lasting too much longer into the future. The only ray of sunshine was (is?) Mypal 2.0 but we haven't exactly been provided with status updates and that project may be "years out", who knows.

Agreed! I've been running XP all these years on hardware that is not only capable of Win 7 / Win 10, but came with Win 7 / Win 10. I "upgraded" to XP for performance gains at the OS-level and at the web browser level. I have (finally) come to the conclusion that it is "time" to revert at least a few of my computers to Win 7 because unfortunate as it is for XP, the web browser basically all but "mandates" Win 7 or higher nowadays

<OT> Does anybody here use "simplix UpdatePack7R2" to update their Win7 installation disc? If so, what version is the newest I can use without any "ESU" updates?

I have been planning on releasing a W2k style but it has been very very low priority. I have not found a way but would be interested in taking that over if somebody found a set of instructions for "beginners" that I could use as a starting point to expand from.

Agreed! And it's nothing but a d#mn "red herring" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

My "vintage" is a 1955 Dodge Coronet and a 1961 Studebaker Hawk.

There are two versions of 360Chrome v13 that both work for XP and both have Chinese spyware removed - 1) https://msfn.org/board/topic/182993-360-extreme-explorer-arcticfoxie-versions/ 2) https://msfn.org/board/topic/182876-360-extreme-explorer-modified-version/ I'm heavily biased towards the ArcticFoxie version

Wow! Perfect example of how CLUELESS people are as to just "what" Roytam 'does'.

I wish there was a 360Chrome v12.5 based on Chromium 80. v12 is based on Chromium 78. v13 (and v13.5) is based on Chromium 86.

Yep. But so far it's mainly been on web sites I kinda don't care about anyway. With only ONE exception - my local water bill payment, which I can't "replace" with another website offering "similar" content so I'm stuck with v13 for it, fingers crossed that it can eventually be polyfilled.

Same here. Nothing happens in 360Chrome v11 even with @InterLinked's polyfill from https://github.com/InterLinked1/chromefill

Wow! I feel "fortunate" that I was traveling and only trial-ran (what I will call) POS PM 30 from a hotel room on an experimental labtop with an experimental VM, both of which have already been deleted. Hint - POS does NOT stand for "point of sale" !

I tried to help you out as far as Chase constantly breaking. I cancelled a Chase account 2 to 2-1/2 years ago and when the person asked me why I am cancelling, "Because this web site, and this web site alone, has forced me to upgrade web browsers twice in six months, my life is far too important to spend so much of my time chasing this rabbit". But only to see several other web sites suffer over the 2 to 2-1/2 years that followed

Holy Crap! What a TOXIC mess! "Good riddance!"

Doesn't mean a dang thing! Or very limited at best. GitHub has a section to show green squares for how "active" the author is. Feodor2's projects have always been sparse and have historically gone several weeks between "contributions".

Do either of these two errors suggest a polyfill fix? Or might these be on the fly transpiling also? {"rootCause":null,"stackTrace":"TypeError: Cannot read property 'onBeforeRenderBtn' of undefined\n at Object.eval (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:179861)\n at JSON.parse (<anonymous>)\n at Function.Ki.initJSFunctions (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:179658)\n at nia.getUIControlConfig (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:427736)\n at eval (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:427092)\n at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)\n at nia.initialize (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:426690)\n at WRb.getContainerConfig (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1170692)\n at WRb.buildComponentConfig (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1169671)\n at eval (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1169365)","detailedMessage":"error in layout configuration menuHeaderId"} {"rootCause":null,"stackTrace":"TypeError: Cannot read property 'onBeforeCustomerTestPaegeLoad' of undefined\n at Object.eval (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:179861)\n at JSON.parse (<anonymous>)\n at Function.Ki.initJSFunctions (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:179658)\n at Function.ua.handleComponentEvent (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:233219)\n at _Kb.loadSolutionPage (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1133118)\n at _Kb.loadDefaultPage (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1130876)\n at _Kb.handlePageChangeByAction (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcontrols/vulcanuxcontrols.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:1131286)\n at SafeSubscriber.eval [as _next] (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/@apporchid/vulcanuxcore/vulcanuxcore.umd.min.js?v=@2.3.0:1:36068)\n at SafeSubscriber.__tryOrUnsub (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/rxjs/Subscriber.js?v=@2.3.0:242:16)\n at SafeSubscriber.next (https://mywaterv2.amwater.com/node_modules/rxjs/Subscriber.js?v=@2.3.0:189:22)","detailedMessage":"Error in loading solution page from response"} Those are the two errors my water bill pops up in a details-box. It's the ONLY site I visit monthly that "requires" 360Chrome v13 or higher

Piece of cake! Got 'er loaded. I think I tried this before but I neglected to test on known URLs and inadvertently dropped it, oops. Found it ironic that I need the chromefill in order to download the chromefill (in Chrome-based v69) via GitHub

Looks easy enough. Will do as time permits.

I'll say, "No, it doesn't mean anything of significance." Maybe it could "in the future" but I ran official Pale Moon 28, latest New Moon 28, and official Pale Moon 30 in several benchmark tests and all tests basically showed the same. That being official 28 and 30 being basically equivalent in scores and New Moon scoring slightly worse. edit - I did have to disable WebGL in all three because all three would crash on various benchmark tests with WebGL enabled. Win7 with Intel i3.