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@Mathwiz AFAIK, Supermium is mostly done like this. The point is you get the binary optimized the best as possible for every OS it targets.

Both browsers do feel pretty similar. Got profile from Firefox loaded in portable r3dfox. I was wrong about font gamma, gfx.font_rendering.cleartype_params.gamma actually works in both browsers. Uncommenting CSS code meant to restore Aero glass effect in various parts of Firefox UI on newer Windows breaks UI of vanilla Firefox while it doesn't seem to do anything in r3dfox, so I can only get glassy title bar (native title bar is enableable in the browser out-of-box), but no glass effect beyond that. I do use DWMBlurGlass, which works pretty well. Language packs for Firefox also work in r3dfox. Edit: About ClearType parameters, they don't seem to behave exactly like in Pale Moon, maybe some are ignored or not as granular, somehow I can get noticeably bolder fonts, but can't find the sweet spot. Or maybe I'm seeing it wrong. It's strange, especially if they're supposed to be parameters that are passed to DirectWrite, so if both applications take the same parameters, the output should be identical. Think I'll just leave it before I make it worse.

I think I'll be going back to Firefox for heavier sites or when I feel like having smoother browsing experience. Had some glitches with some combination of CSS tweaks (https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx) in the past, though I don't have them now. I had some fun with getting the few UserChrome scripts I use to work with Firefox 125, but nothing that wasn't pointed out the issue tracker (https://github.com/xiaoxiaoflood/firefox-scripts/issues). I remember there were also some visual glitches with font rendering back on Firefox 110 or so, sort of redraw glitches or I don't know how to put it, might have to do with changed settings on about:config page, those that start with gfx.font_rendering, but those don't seem to do anything now. Any clues? That's for vanilla Firefox at least, those that change contrast or gamma. Pale Moon respects ClearType settings in Windows, so I have slightly thicker fonts there, which I prefer, but can live with default...guess if they don't work for me in the future anymore, I'll have to look into getting a new pair of eyes...he he he...or maybe Chrome Font Super Enhancer could be transplanted to Firefox (if there's isn't already any similar extension for Firefox), though that's just a hack while you could have it working properly natively. Some questions about r3dfox: Does it still use Windows 10 APIs when available? I'm on Win10 or 11, gave up on legacy Windows a long time ago. In Aris-t2's CustomCSSforFx there's a comment about WIN10 fix for GLASS8 - not supported by Firefox 117+, I wonder if this applies to r3dfox. Language packs, should the ones for Firefox just work on r3dfox? Don't know if it's just me, I have a hunch Firefox is slightly heavier on the GPU or CPU than eg. Edge, at least under certain circumstances when it's in the foreground, other windows' animations may be jerkier. There were complaints about laptops' battery life when using Firefox in the past, but hey, when you pin it up against Pale Moon where it's easy to encounter a website that makes one core work full time without any user interaction whatsoever...

There was a picture from Chrome with the question, DNS settings there are explicit about secure DNS.

That won't disable the API...appropriate setting is at chrome://settings/content/usbDevices Still, I find disabling it pointless...if you're seeing prompts to connect to USB unexpectedly, you should re-evaluate your browsing habits. I would try talking to one of my USB devices through a web browser just because, but I don't know how any of devices work and I'm back at the fact that I hate programming.

True, roytam1 may do some own tweaks every once in a while, but all the big stuff comes from upstream. True, but you can only directly configure Windows versions released in last 4 years or so to use DOH (eg. https://www.howtogeek.com/765940/how-to-enable-dns-over-https-on-windows-11/). Older ones require to use a sort of DNS proxy or special support from the browser side.

The flag debuted in Ungoogled Chromium, Supermium also adds it.

History shows you'll all be rushing to the then latest Chrome in no time, so that timebomb doesn't strike me as something to be concerned about. You might already have.

Nothing to do with the browser I think, the site is simply not coded to update the title on quick navigation between thread pages.

That's not what I said... Anyway, for reference, it was asked before on PM forum: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30059

All actual meaningful progress happens in the upstream, not here. That's not opinion, that's fact.

Last binary release 1.0.03 of Otter Browser indeed comes with QtWebKit5.dll from 2017, so while this is WebKit wrapped in Qt framework, it's way too old for comfort. I don't think 360 Extreme Explorer is WebKit, for starters, it implements WebUSB, WebKit does not implement WebUSB. This document is also outdated, there's no /third_party/WebKit directory in the current Chromium source tree. Another difference is Chromium (Blink) uses V8 JavaScript engine while WebKit uses JavaScriptCore.

I don't think roytam1 is correct address for such feature requests. These projects, at least New Moon and Serpent very much piggyback on the work of the upstream developers (Moonchild Productions). They fall and the downstream dies as well.

New Moon doesn't save anything in its own folder by default, so no.

You just overwrite the old files with new ones. Most of the time, file structure remains similar enough so there's no old remnants, unless specifically noted. But you can always delete the existing folder and extract new one in its place to be sure it's 100% clean.

There was a discussion a while back on PM forum regarding future official x64 builds of Pale Moon requiring AVX instruction set. It was also mentioned something along the lines that future mainstream Linux distros may also have a similar requirement in the near future. Is there a source for the latter?

USB backend is non-functional on XP, chrome://usb-internals page shows zero USB devices. Web MIDI seems to work.

Actually, reading some more, it doesn't seem like Otter Browser counts as WebKit based anymore. Pretty sure 360Chrome has it mislabelled as well. It might be that Chrome extensions also don't come naturally for WebKit browsers. Blink is a fork of WebKit with changes tailoring it specifically to Chromium. Edit: Version 46.0 of Gnome WEB should be more interesting than 41.0 I have at hand in the repo of this outdated Ubuntu installation. I've read they added support for Web Extensions about 2 years ago. The user agent of version 41.0 reads: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/15.0 Safari/605.1.15 Second edit: Similarly to Gecko, it appears WebKit also doesn't adopt everything Google thinks should be in the web browser.

Where are you getting that from? AFAIK everything Chromium based is Blink, WebKit is mostly present on Apple's devices. I'm not aware of any readily downloadable recent web browser available for any Windows version based on WebKit. Otter Browser? On Linux, there's Gnome WEB, might be more updated. Haven't tried either. It simply doesn't happen here.

That could be the problem. There's internet out there beyond MSFN, but perhaps some of us have become too stuck in our ways. I have a hunch all this repetitive discussion about web browsers and merits of Windows version XYZ is more mentally draining than we realize. @Sampei.Nihira Agreed, too many complications. I also don't like smartphone as mandatory key for these things. I don't even mind smartphones, moderate use is the key, but this crazy society takes everything to extremes.

Guess I'm lucky I'm not everyone and Pale Moon still manages all "important" sites. The latter have certainly gotten worse, though I don't care about GitHub, X (Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, DRM encumbered media...pretty much don't care for 99% of the internet. Don't care about Firefox either, it has become a (buggy) monstrosity I don't recognize anymore and I have no time nor interest for seeking workarounds for stuff that recently worked as expected. I've set it up quite some time ago for the family member, assuming it will be "safer" option than Pale Moon...well that was a mistake, Firefox doesn't play videos properly anymore on a humble 5 years old laptop with Intel HD 610, it either lags and the sound is screwed up (with HW acceleration) or it lags and the sound is OK (without HW acceleration). Put Pale Moon on it and it's been smooth sailing ever since.

Yeah. For all I care, this forum can disappear tomorrow and I'll be fine.

None of these frequently discussed (on MSFN) Chromium clones are worth losing a sleep over. Most of their code is copy-paste off Chromium, they don't have their own legs to stand on, without Google LLC, they are nothing. I can relate. I think I should be making better use of my time here. How, I haven't a clue.

Tom's Guide uses CSS layers, the issue for those was opened about a month ago. Another example of a broken site in other ways: https://www.apple.com/si/iphone-15-pro/specs/ JavaScript syntax error, missing pictures, though JavaScript doesn't seem to be required to display those, enabling JavaScript breaks pictures. Seems empty GIF is inserted into picture tags, the GIF is then selected for display.

We've grown too picky, too entitled, I notice it with myself way too often. I hate what I see in the mirror, I've become a monster I despise. I need a reset, something. Perhaps spend less time with tech.