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I totally agree with you, Siria. It's pretty impressive what people have been able to do with Win9x in terms of updates, patches, and browser upgrades. And If just a handful of people are capable of extending the life of Win9x... just imagine what could have been possible with more resources and support from a company or institution. It's possible to get more life out of these old operating systems... which were killed back in 2006, yet here we are 14 years later, and despite how they said "you can't use them anymore" we still are. Of course, the reason why they said we can't use them anymore, is because we're all supposed to buy a new one every 4 or 5 years! We're supposed to pay Microsoft for the same word processor that reached it's peak back in the 90s! Not only that, but instead of getting a physical copy on a floppy disk or CD, now you just pay for the "service." So you don't actually own anything, you're just renting it. And therefore, you're computer becomes hostage to the license terms of their software.... therefore, you don't own your computer anymore either! What good is YOUR computer, if ALL the software on it can be removed, changed or altered at the whims of Microsoft, Apple, Google or whatever. Thanks for the info! Thanks Rainyshadow too. I'm gonna download and try some of those things. I just still have a lot to do with all the stuff Siria posted, so I'll get around to it eventually :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mskHNJtfBQ Ozzy - "Diary of a Madman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0BMSfEwuI Solange - "Lovers in the parking lot"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy9W_mrY_Vk Solange - "Losing You"

Sorry to hear that such a great contributor to the Windows 9x community has passed away... RIP.

@Wunderbar98 I didn't know about the "updated" versions of these browsers that support TLS 1.2. I used the "original" versions of them for several years (K-Meleon 1.5.4 in particular).... and that's what I thought you meant. Wasn't aware that somebody had actually updated them. I stopped visiting this place a few years back because MSFN wouldn't load on my computer.... and so I just stopped visiting and didn't keep up to speed on the current developments. MSFN seems to work again, though, for some odd reason. Wow, this is like getting a second wind for my computer.

Thank you Siria for all the work you put into your replies! You're a gentleman and a scholar! I should thank Roytam as well! Well, thanks everybody for helping me out here! I unzipped the package "ns9-nss-update.7z" into my "C:\Program Files\Netscape\Navigator 9\" folder and copied over the DLL files that were older. And that was it, It worked! I'm now able to read Wikipedia again! Some of the larger wikipedia articles make my computer "freeze," and prevent me from scrolling the page, so I assume they're too big, memory wise, for my computer to handle. (My system specs, by the way, are: Pentium III, 866 MHz CPU, 384 MB Ram, 32 Gig Hard drive) --- Ancient Crap, I know! So far I've been able to read a few medium sized, and smaller wikipedia pages, which is awesome! Tomorrow if I have more time, I'll try downloading the Firefox3.6+TLS1.2 ciphers package. Well, this is great, thanks everyone!

what do these things do?

Thanks for the MSN link :-) I used Opera exclusively for about 7 or 8 years... from 2010 until 2017? Then it just went to total crap. Endless popup windows and certificate errors that don't go away even after I click the okay button. It's unusable.... worse than Firefox 2. In my experience, yes, K-Meleon 1.7.0 loads way better than Opera, or anything else I've tried. Then again, maybe I haven't tried enough. I set the user agent to Firefox 3.6 by the way. Google results work better that way then the default K-Meleon user agent string. I gave Retrozilla a shot. While I found it DID render some pages better than SeaMonkey 1.1.19 and Firefox 2.0.0.20 (other browsers from the same exact Gecko branch/engine), I would often experience random crashes. So unfortunately had to stop using it. Otherwise I would consider Retrozilla the last, good, non-kernelex browser for Win9x. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort put into these things :-) Tried Firefox 4.0, but it was terrible. Are there any Windows9x browsers that load Wikipedia anymore? Are you guys still able to load wikipedia. I'm using vanilla KernelEx, last version posted on Xeno's old website.... 4.5.2. Is there a simple download package that update from that? Thanks for the replies.

Thanks Wunderbar! I think you are grandfathered into Gmail, because I used to be able to log in using Netscape 9, Firefox 2 or K-Meleon, but then I made a new account due to spam emails, and then I couldn't get back to the "HTML Only Version" with my new account. That could be cause I made the new account with a new computer. I'm going to try and make a NEW account with plain old K-Meleon 1.5.4, just to see if it will work, but I doubt it will :-) Another website that still works is SciTech Daily. They have some pretty cool news sections on Space, Technology, Health, Earth, etc. It still works good with Netscape 9, but it does look better if you use either Firefox 3+ or K-Meleon 1.6+ https://scitechdaily.com/news/space/ Oh and, If you can stomach the right-wing bias, Breitbart website works pretty good. On dial-up, it's one of a handful of websites that loads properly with pictures besides, say, Drudge, CNN Text, or Netscape News. https://www.breitbart.com/ The problem with Drudge is that all those aggregate websites just link to other sites, and about 90% of it doesn't work. I just noticed more websites going all "secure" and blocking out old browsers... each day there seems to be fewer and fewer sources of entertainment :-)

Another thing, if I come across a news article or website that won't load, I can usually use "CachedPages.com" to view it in text mode. Whether it's to read Wikipedia, news article, or whatever it usually works. http://www.cachedpages.com/

Hi Wunderbar98, I'm using K-Meleon as well, version 1.7 and no javascript as well. Sometimes I'll use Firefox 3.6.28, but K-Meleon allows more tweaking and adjustments to the user interface, and the bookmarking works better. So I'm pretty happy with it. Opera 12 is useless now, it breaks down on almost every site I try, with all the certificate error messages and everything. I was using the Library computers for doing most browsing, but due to Covid-19 shutdown, the only internet access I have is my old trusty Windows ME computer on dialup for last six months. It's better than nothing. There are some news websites that actually work, even with a slow connection. There's the text-only edition of CNN: https://lite.cnn.com/en And netscape news: https://isp.netscape.com/news/ I browse forums a lot as well. Can't check my Gmail though, Google says my browser is too old. I don't suppose anybody knows an email service that still works? Anyhow thanks for the reply.

LView Pro 2006, the all-time classic graphics editor, is now released as FREEWARE! It works on vanilla Windows ME/98/95. I started using Lview back in like 1994 when I first started using computers, on Windows 3.1. http://www.lview.com/

I download videos from www.clipconverter.cc You need to enable javascript however, as usually I disable it. It's quite simple. It works on my basic system running Kex 4.5.2 and K-Meleon 1.7 browser.

I use the website www.clipconverter.cc and just download the mp4..... only way for me to do it. I view the downloaded movie with MPlayer WW SVN-r35

I'm still using my Windows ME computer with Kernel Ex and K-Meleon 1.7 anybody left around here?

Maybe I just need a better video card? If anyone is aware of a video card that works in DOS, with minimal fuss, and at 1024x768 resolution with programs like QPV/386, PictView, QuickView Pro, SEA, Display, I would be thrilled! Thanks!

I have DOS image viewers on my Windows ME computer, but they can't recognize any screen resolution beyond 800x600 High Color. When I'm running Windows my graphics display is set to 1024x768 True Color. But when I run a dos prompt under windows, and use DOS programs, they don't detect higher resolutions. I would like to be able to use the 1024x768 resolution that my graphics card is capable of, while in DOS mode, if possible. Is there some updated VESA driver that I can use? My graphic card is the integrated kind.... here are my computer specs: https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pavilion-7845-minitower/ Only thing I've upgraded is the RAM. Things I've tried: rebooting the computer in DOS mode, which didn't work, programs still don't recognize anything more than 800x600.

http://byukruk.tripod.com/ IconDesk ^Check out this program, it's Dope!!! Very simple way to make stuff look better/modern. On your desktop it can make your icon's text transparent. Which I thinks makes it look cleaner and more up-to-date. Here's what it does: You just run the installer, then the program gets added to your StartUp folder, so that when you start your computer it always comes on and is minimized to the system tray. Then right click on the little icon in your system tray, then click on "Transparent Icon Text Background Color." That's it! (2) Then to make it look more cool, right click on your desktop, select properties, then click on the "Appearance" tab. Then click on the "Item" drop down list and select "Icon." Once you select "icon" from the list, then you can select the font and text size you want. I put mine on Verdana, font size size 9. Now it looks pretty Neato! Anybody else got any desktop tweaking programs or hints ??? Thanks.

Imagine 1.1.0 - Freeware image viewer http://www.nyam.pe.kr/dev/imagine/

Sorry, don't have the link for the user agent switcher. It was a dead link anyway :-( Wow that's quite the Opera Toolbar, congratulations! How much work did that take? Just a few questions, but what is TLS? You mentioned "Roytams special FF2 - FF3.6 builds with TLS1.2"

***SOLVED**** I figured it out. All I had to do was set it to "Identify as Internet Explorer" and now I have the old Google webpage back now. I can view cached pages again :-) Here's how: Go to.... Quick Preferences->Edit Site Preferences->Network Tab (then identify as Internet Explorer)

"And when finally learning about it, it was almost too late, there were already ALL Opera addons deleted on the web :(" -Siria @Siria Yeah, I hear ya there. I found a link for an Opera User Agent Switcher add-on, but I couldn't get it to download... or work. At least not from my Windows ME computer.

In my first post I should clarify, I'm using the Firefox 2 User Agent in K-Meleon 1.6, and that's why I can view the old school Google page. The default k-Meleon 1.6 user agent doesn't work either.

@Loblo I entered the string, but there was no way to save it. Once Opera is restarted it disappears. @Schwups Same thing, the string just disappears after re-starting Opera, even if I clicked "save." ^I might try these suggestions on Opera 11 and see if I have better luck than Opera 12. Thanks. @Siria Thanks for the information about Roytam1's programs... I will read those threads you linked to. But I'm not sure I will "upgrade" past basic old KernelEx 4.5.2. Sounds like there's a lot of potential problems if you don't know what you're doing, which I don't, and I don't want to have to format and re-install everything :-)