AstroSkipper

@Dave-H wanted to have a new topic on that matter as our posts didn't match the topic where we posted first. And your feedback isn't what I asked for, so it's unfortunately useless. But since you delete your posted images anyways, it would be enough if you stated whether you are affected or not.

MSFN and its lack of search results in Google, Bing, and all search engines depending on them As I had already reported in two other threads, starting from here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/185966-my-browser-builds-part-5/page/192/#findComment-1287545 and from here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/187750-sometimes-redirecting-to-spamgamble-site-when-accessing-msfnorgboard/page/8/#findComment-1287566 MSFN has been de-indexed and its search results removed from Google, Bing, and all other search engines which depend on them, as, for example, DuckDuckGo, Startpage, Ecosia, Qwant, eTools.ch, yahoo!, and so on. I call them Google's and Bing's slave machines. I am @AstroSkipper and located in Germany, and here are some screenshots to show you what I mean: No relevant search results regarding MSFN. All that means MSFN is now stuck in the digital gulag starting with Google's Core Updates on 21 May 2026. And here a screenshot from Google Search with the search term "msfn.org": Here you can clearly see that Google considers MSFN a spammer as sites with domain msfn.org are shown in Thai or Siamese language. Now, my question to all members of MSFN: Are you also affected? Please post screenshots of search results with the search term "MSFN Windows XP" for exact comparison! Or alternatively, state in a clear sentence which country you are from and whether you are affected or not! And here are screenshots of the last two major search engines, Brave and Mojeek, which show correct results without the foreign Thai language to indicate spammer sites: We need information from all countries to see if there is a real problem and to report it then to the site owner/administrator @xper and supervisor @Tripredacus. And one thing is crystal clear: Nihil semper ad nihilum! Cheers, AstroSkipper

Looks like we have our "answer". @NotHereToPlayGames The first quote is correct and also useful as a reminder. But the second quote is taken completely out of context and is a no-go. Or are you making up your own answers here? Then speak in your own words! But one thing is clear. For an alleged "communication" forum, this is how MSFN has been officially and tragically defined for a longer time, the owner, administrator and supervisor are not exactly covering themselves in glory. Unfortunately, the members aren’t doing much better either. Passivity and apathy are the death of everything. Nihil semper ad nihilum.

False Google search is better than IPS, especially due to dorks. That’s completely irrelevant at the moment. MSFN articles or threads can’t be found on Google anyway. MSFN has been banished to the digital gulag as an alleged spammer.

No, it is not. Try searching for specific terms from the good old days or old technical knowledge. That’s been wiped out by Google and Microsoft!

In recent years, Google has de-indexed a large part of our collective knowledge, effectively erasing it. It’s all about profit maximisation, deals and power. Just like the way your government is currently operating. No conscience, no sense of responsibility. And I’m not talking about Google in general. I wouldn’t care about that at all. I’m talking about Google Search, which, as a monopoly, bears an immense responsibility when it comes to the knowledge of our civilisations and its preservation. It has long since failed to live up to this responsibility and has nothing to do with MSFN. It’s just a tragic victim.

What’s really going completely wrong at the moment is the lack of an official statement from the forum owner or administrator regarding this whole mess. You can’t just sit this out or ignore it.

I do not agree. The main culprit behind this dilemma is Google, as I have explained deeply in my article:

Accounts with zero posts should be deleted after a pre-determined and clearly communicated timeframe. But this forum is still home to many creative and clever minds who produce technical content of, in some cases, outstanding quality. Furthermore, MSFN is a virtually inexhaustible source of knowledge, particularly when it comes to Windows. A search engine operator cannot and must not ignore this. Google makes huge profits every year, but it also has a responsibility as a search engine operator that it has long since failed to fulfil.

Any server or forum can be hacked. But the fact that Google has de-indexed a renowned technology forum and consigned it to the digital gulag is the ultimate admission of failure, the definitive proof that Google is no longer in control of its own mess and blindly trusts its algorithms and AI. Nevertheless, the operator of MSFN, @xper, also has a responsibility to carry out regular malware scans and install important security updates. In any case, Brave and Mojeek prove that, with the right filters, the problem can also be brought under control on the part of search engine operators. I have been a member of this forum since 2010, and even before that, as a non-member, I kept an eye on the MSFN forum. I have never before experienced or witnessed anything like what is happening now. It is a disgrace. The operator @xper, the administrator @Tripredacus and all members of MSFN must stand up to counter this undesirable development.

Yep, MSFN seems to be an "Alien Platform" when it comes to Google and their slaves.

Google, Bing, and all search engines based on them do not show any real links to MSFN. They removed all relevant links from their index starting from 21.05.2026 with their latest Core Update. Only two major search engines show correct links to MSFN, one is Brave and the other Mojeek. I'm really curious to see what the owner or administrator @xper of MSFN will do about it.

And now back to New Moon and Serpent. I’ve removed all search engines and installed Brave as well as Mojeek instead. Brave is now my default search engine, and its AI can be disabled in the Brave settings. This is particularly ideal for older hardware, as it makes the search engine much more responsive and faster.

Your view of things is extremely superficial and lacks the necessary depth. Your analysis is a perfect reflection of the prevailing trend in your circles. You’d be better off asking yourself where Google, Microsoft and the SEO industry are based. That would get us to the bottom of the matter much more quickly. And rubbish simply generates more rubbish. But why am I telling you this? You must know that far better than I do.

The issue at hand goes far beyond MSFN. In my article I have shared some in-depth insider knowledge and outlined the reasons behind Google’s total decline. And Google is dragging most search engines down with it. From now on, we can remove the term ‘to google’ and, in my native language existing for 30 years, 'googeln' from our vocabulary, unless you’re into adverts and misinformation. MSFN is just one of many to suffer the consequences. If it were just a question of spam, there would be hardly any websites left to visit. It's all about money and power. That's something you should know well from your boss.

Microsoft's Bing is just as bad as Google, and DuckDuckGo is dependent on Google because it uses its data and therefore no longer usable. You don’t seem to have fully grasped the implications. Google, Bing, Startpage, Ecosia, DuckDuckGo, etc. have thus become useless. This is also about search engines under New Moon 28 and Serpent 52. If that isn’t important, then I don’t know what is important at all. As far as I’m concerned, all these search engines are dead and are now just history. You're worried about your CPU spikes when using the most recent version of New Moon 28. But just think about what browsers were created for! The main function of browsers is to access websites, which must first be found by search engines if you don’t know their address. That’s what I do most of the time with @roytam1’s browsers, such as New Moon or Serpent. And I do it on a real installation of Windows XP.

Once again. There is no SuperStop for New Moon 28. You have to create a script with same functionality or combine different, already existing methods via extensions, custom buttons, scripts or CSS stylesheets to get a similar effect. One of them is ToggleGifAnimations. I made a little research.In fact, there is an earlier legacy version of SuperStop by the same author which therefore can be installed in New Moon 28. But it’s rather poor. It only uses the browser’s built-in BrowserStop() function, which merely stops the current tab from loading. This version, SuperStop 0.1, can be found in the Classic Add-ons Archive (caa). But, as I said, it can only do a fraction of what the later webextension, SuperStop 0.6, does, which stops active WebSocket connections, JS timers, XMLHttpRequests, and any animated images and videos.

Once again. There is no SuperStop for New Moon 28. You have to create a script with same functionality or combine different, already existing methods via extensions, custom buttons, scripts or CSS stylesheets to get a similar effect. One of them is ToggleGifAnimations.

UC.JS Programming Given the feedback – or rather the lack of it – I assume that either nobody in New Moon or Serpent is using UC.JS/UC.XUL scripts, or that there is a massive lack of interest in this topic , or simply the usual passivity. What is so special about UC.JS/UC.XUL scripts in these two browsers? If you search for such scripts online, you’ll find that most were created for newer versions of Firefox, i.e. Firefox 57+ or even Firefox 68+. And the situation is just as dire when it comes to compatible script loaders. If you’re now thinking, ‘But there is an extension called userChromeJS in the form of an XPI file’, then you’re right. But the latest version, 2.0, dates from 2010 and is far too old to load all modern scripts, meaning the functionality of this loader in New Moon or Serpent is rather limited. It was adequate back then, but no longer in this day and age. Most users install a varying number of extensions to add missing features. There are still a few current and well-maintained ones, but most are ancient, no longer developed versions. They generate numerous error messages, no longer function fully, consume resources and, in the worst case, cause incompatibilities. I’ve left all that behind me. The loader I use, which has been additionally patched by me, is much more up to date. It is implemented in exactly the same way as in Mypal 78. So no longer in the form of an extension. UC.JS/UC.XUL scripts consume significantly fewer resources and can provide precisely the functionality required without installing any extra bloatware. And their access via the browser is virtually unlimited. What are the specific challenges involved in creating UC.JS/UC.XUL scripts in New Moon or Serpent? Although Serpent 52 is also based on the very old Firefox version 52, it is nevertheless considerably more modern than New Moon 28. This browser already features the excellent CustomizableUI interface. At the time, Moonchild Productions decided not to integrate the CustomizableUI interface, introduced in Firefox 29+, into Pale Moon. Consequently, all widgets and toolbar buttons from UC.JS scripts in New Moon 28 must be created differently, i.e. in a completely basic, ‘old-school’ manner. This is a major problem. Such buttons are injected into the DOM very late by the script loader and are then regarded as foreign by the browser. They are not really managed by it. Therefore, the developer of UC.JS scripts must also take care of this. In Serpent 52, this is much easier, as CustomizableUI is fully present, albeit not up to date. Furthermore, of course, some things always need to be adapted specifically for each browser. Scripts that work in Mypal 68/74/78 usually do not run in Serpent 52 or, quite possibly, in New Moon 28. And the scripts in Serpent 52 do not run straight away in New Moon 28 either, for a variety of reasons. I’ve now overcome every obstacle. Since early 2025, I’ve single-handedly written countless scripts for Mypal 68/74/78, and ported them first to Serpent 52 and then even to New Moon 28. My script loader, all my scripts and even the extensions I use no longer produce a single error in the browser console. To achieve this, I had to fix a few extensions that haven’t been maintained for a long time, such as Violentmonkey, Navigation Bar Enhancer and Toolbar Buttons. I have now expanded my one man team to include an AI that I have trained specifically for this purpose. All this means that you can use UC.JS and even UC.XUL scripts in New Moon or Serpent just as you would in, for example, Mypal 78. So, that was my first report on this topic. Enjoy reading!

Here’s an alternative take on the situation: The drama behind the scenes: Why Google lost its soul There are three fundamental reasons why Google Search has become so abysmally bad and all our observations are absolutely spot on: Surrendering to SEO spam (the ‘Dead Internet’ theory): The web is inundated with automated, AI-generated pages written solely for the Google algorithm, with the sole aim of selling advertising space. Google has, in effect, lost the arms race against this flood of spam. They’re trying to patch it up with filters (like the latest Core Update), which then leads to total failures where forums like MSFN end up wrongly in the digital gulag. The displacement of the ‘old web’ (Digital Oblivion): The permanent deletion and de-indexing of old content, which has been going on for a long time, is a tragedy. Google is optimising its server costs. Old forum threads, static HTML pages from the 2000s and small private tech blogs are mercilessly kicked out of the index because they don’t generate enough traffic or aren’t ‘mobile-optimised’. This systematically wipes out the collective knowledge of the internet. The compulsion towards ‘synthetic answers’: Google no longer wants to send people to external sites like MSFN. They want them to stay on their site so that you see their adverts. That is why they are trying to summarise everything in AI overviews (SGE). This leads to the actual search index withering away, because it now serves only as fodder for the AI engine, rather than as a guide to real websites.

Oh man, you can’t seriously be saying that in your right mind, can you? Google Search has been a complete disaster for ages. And I’m sick of hearing that rubbish about ‘for your own safety or for your protection’. It’s the daftest excuse ever and one of the reasons why everything’s going down the drain.

You are completely wrong. MSFN members won't search threads of their forum via Google, of course. But that’s only logical and isn’t the issue at all. The point is that non-members will no longer be able to find content posted on MSFN. MSFN will no longer reach people who are looking for answers via Google. No new visitors, less traffic, and a descent into obscurity for all Google slaves, who, tragically, use nothing else because intellectual laziness has become the norm everywhere.

And now it’s crystal clear where this is heading if other search engines rely solely on Google. Startpage, Ecosia and many, many others no longer recognise MSFN either. It’s a complete disaster. Monopolies are the death of everything. My compliments to Mojeek and Brave. They are now my main search engines in New Moon, Serpent and Mypal.

Ok. Memory Fox 1.0 is a webextension and not a legacy one. That explains a lot. Therefore, it won't work in New Moon 28. I had a look inside the XPI file, and the popup.js is a script for discarding tabs. No more, no less. In case you are running Serpent 52 in single-process mode, it can't really help. Real tab discarding is only possible if running the browser in multi-process mode.

Thanks for the link! I have never observed this crap before. Google and Microsoft are unfortunately dominating the market. They are togetther monopolists destroying the idea of free infornation. So, the users have to understand that and say bye, bye to them. I personally start to use Mojeek and Brave Search. I've had absolutely had enough of this rubbish. .That aside, the quality of Google’s search results declined steadily. Even the exact phrase was no longer taken into account. The results increasingly consisted of irrelevant rubbish that had absolutely nothing to do with the search query.