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Can't say that yet. Not all the 2000 series from ATi have been released. This may be the best for price for the GeForce8 series of DX10 cards... but the best for the price? Can't tell yet. Noit a big wait anyway. The 2400, 2600 are to be released this summer. Late July I heard.

The same day I'm getting one.

because most people cant just go out and but a new pc. i only wish What about an "upgrade". Sometimes depending on the CPU is a slight downgrade. Upgrade if its about a year old though.

I'd try a cooler option. Maybe dual HD 2600XT boards? Its about 35-45W per board. (compared to about 200 watts and above for a 8800) Not sure about performance. Waiting for the benches. Also a 8800GTS/GTX is overkill. Wanting to play in 1080p resolution with that? That's mostly what its good for.

How about you try a cooler PC? Like a CPU and GPU that draws less power?

Look at reviews and complaints like this. See how common they are. Have you tried the DFI brand? They make the lanparty boards. Supposedly they're real nice. Not sure about dependability.

The quad cores are not really quads. They're two dual cores stuck together. They communicate over the FSB instead of inside the chip. Slightly better perfomance than the dual core, but not significant like you would expect over a REAL quad core. Just get a dual core. It runs cooler too (about half the wattage). Can leave it on for longer. Look at the E6600 from Intel. Its got a great bang for buck. Its **** fast (not quite the fastest) but its also REALLY afforable. Or if you want you can wait for the new AMD lineup (new socket AM3 soon) and the revised 65nm Athlon 64 6000+ which is to run much cooler (now its made with 90nm and its about 125W). Its about the speed of a E6600 in most situations.

I've been looking at the 2600 and 2400 too. Looks like they will run ALOT cooler than their cousin the 2900. (the 2900 is also made with 90nm instead of the 65nm for the others so it drains hella power.)

No problemo with ASUS. Ever. I reccomend this company over most other brands. I like their boards. Very stable and reliable. But I haven't had any of their bleeding edge new products.

Don't the DRM-free files contain your personal info? In case they should be leaked to a p2p site and shared? That's what I've read.

Do you have a USB 2.0 port? How old is the computer/motherboard? Brand and model if you have. And what operating system? I got a Shuffle 2.0 works with 2003 and XP SP2 no problem. No drivers either, it just detects it. Then I import stuff with winamp.

True... I guess I'll look more at the regular Core 2 Duo and see how much it can be underclocked. For regular computer use. For gaming, it can be cranked up to full.

Cool. I knew lowering the fsb would also have an impact. Why does it? Lowering voltage means you lower the power running through the chip. But the fsb? And do you know any place I can get better ideas about underclocking the new core 2 duos?

e6600 Intel processor. Not card.

How does the regular Core 2 Duo stack up? As opposed to the mobile? Seems like a better alternative. The mobile is hard to find, especially with a compatible desktop motherboard. Uses socket P from what I gathered. Unless I haven't been looking hard enough.

Why would I buy a PC to keep it idling? Intel looks nice. Would be nice especially for doing some video compression and rendering once in awhile. And I know they are estimates, but its better than nothing.

The e6600 uses about 68W while at full usage right? How low can I get the power consumption on this CPU? I need this for just a regular desktop, mostly for work. So I don't need all the power. I just need less heat since it will be on most of the time. (But it would be nice to crank it to full power or even overclock whenever I play a game.) Been looking at this or the more exotic T7600 or T7800 Mobile core 2 Duo Processors. They use about 33-35W. But they are also very rare and expensive, and getting a mobo that works would be a chore. Input?

65W is still too much. Which is why I'd like to go mobile. And undervolting. How do I do that? I tried it before but the CPU I have didn't even post. How low can i go? Also, the reason i need a very efficient CPU is because I will also get a videocard. A HD 2600 or 2400 or even an 8600. So that will add its own heat to the system. If I can get a nice frosty cool CPU that would be real nice. Also, Micro-ATX or other. Doesn't matter. And I don't need 7.1 anyway. I'm not using onboard. LAN is nice though.

Well, thats because its optical, on a mirror! Why are you using a mirror anyways?

I would like to use a nice power efficient CPU for a media centre or another PC. Whatever. I don't care about the brand. I'll make a choice based on a variety of factors like performance, price and efficiency. Been looking at the Core 2 Duo Mobile (34 Watts and almost the performance of a regular Core 2). Looks like you can put it in some mobos no problem. Anybody do this? Or have any info? And what about the AMD counterpart? What do they offer? Is it Turion now? Note: I am not looking to overclock. So it doesn't matter if Core 2 Duo is better in that respect. I'm looking for low consumption. And I know that there are other heat producing parts. I am starting with CPU and working my way through.

I'm looking to cool a system. About 250Watts tops. (250 Watts of heat). { how uch heat would a typical 250-300Watt system dissipate?) Silent single directional pump. Nice large reservoir. VGA, CPU, Chipset Blocks, Radiator with a nice large silent fan (or passive). (and some of those weird coils that dont flatten from swiftech) Maybe a new case if I need it, probably use foam and other noise retardant material on any surface I can. And a nice large block of soft(er) silicone I can start to cut and shape into whatever, noise retardation. Anything I'm mising? HDD/CD Drive coolers? Or is that even needed if I put a case fan?

Me either... but I figured its worth a shot. Updates add support for CPUs so I assumed RAM too. Guess he has to get a new (and non-garbage) board this time.

Yeah... I guess its better to do it by individual components. Most kits don't offer what I need anyway. I need an all-around cooling solution anyway. I've been looking at that nice case from swiftech. http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/sup...hP180/index.htm But its missing chipset and vga cooler. Got really nice features like noise dampening using rubber gaskets. I wonder if it would cost less and perform better if I buy the parts myself and put it together? I'm not an overclocker, sometimes I like to do it a bit... but I'm not setting any speed records. I just need a quiet PC that will never overheat. What do you guys reccomend in terms of pumps? I need quiet ones. A good performance/noise ratio sounds good.

Could something overheats and the motherboards cuts the power to prevent damage. Mine does that. If I leave it on for too long with improper ventilation... it turns off in a few hours. Good thing it does. Otherwise I'd be out of a PC by now.

The Freezone looks nice... but its a fridge. Literally. Those compressors can be real noisy. And it looks like its only for CPU. I'd like an all around kit (or addons later for it). For cooling all the hot parts, even HDD if possible.