Up until very recently I've never downloaded any "fixes". But I've buckled after reading so much about the various "holes" that exist. In my experience, I've never had a virus, got very little spyware and see no need to update all the time. Afterall, the only way I can see anyone taking control of my machine is if I'm stupid enough to let them. I doubt it matters much if you do update or not, it just takes up some of your time... Sylvianorth