you know what. you have to be right every time, don't you? You are one of the reasons I left vista community. Since you can't use vista without the help of this forum I knew that it makes no sense. You basically disagree with everything. I will say just this and say no further reply. D3D12on7 is real, it is being used in wow,red dead, cyberpunk. it was used in call of duty series and probably many other games I'm not even aware. I'm glad that over on 8.1 topics, you're not present. I think that you and I should avoid each other. My computer meets requirements to play modern titles and I'm glad. I don't know anyone who would use an old gtx 770. 1650 super has no problems whatsoever with playing my favorite games (including cyberpunk btw). It might not be on the highest details, but it works. Windows 7 is and will be for a while a supported os unlike vista. once chrome drops support then I will consider it EOL. anyone but D.Draker and Dixel is welcome to join the discussion with me.