premier69 Posted July 29, 2004 Posted July 29, 2004 This little chat I had made me wonder why SATA would be anything worth buying.premier69 Have you personally tested sata?Davis noDavis It's tooooooooooooooo early for sataDavis maybe in 2-4 yearspremier69 Why?premier69 Except for small improvements. Davis It's being pushed onto the market before getting readyDavis The specs for SATA were changed 3 times in the last 2 yearsDavis + there is not 1 single SATA device on the marketDavis they are all ATA disks with convertersDavis so they offer no sata advantagespremier69 I saw one cd-burner with sata interfaceDavis yeahDavis and an ATA-SATA converter behind thatpremier69 So no gainDavis sure 2%premier69 Why did they market sata so early then? Money?Davis coz it would be the only device on the controllerDavis SATA support only 1 device per controllerpremier69 I knowDavis wheras ATA supports 2Dev/Contpremier69 Yup Davis Why did they market sata so early then?OF COURSE IT'S MONEY ;-)premier69 I mean when it's so apparent it's no gainDavis 99.99 % of the people don't understand s*** about computers, and would buy anything they are told is goodDavis same for the P4, GigabitLAN, WLAN, Centrino, ...premier69 What about those?Davis expensive, worthless, yet successfulDavis Oh. I forgot to mention bluetoothpremier69 What's CentrinoDavis Intel's mobile CPU with "magical" WLAN capabilities, which are nothing than an integrated WLAN chip in the chipsetpremier69 What's wrong with bluetooth? Part from it being so **** slow.Davis that's it!!! very very slowpremier69 Yeah a maximum data transfer speed of 768kbit was it?Davis yes but practically 3-8 KB/spremier69 Should be upto 96Davis should beDavis just as SATA should get up to 150MB/sDavis :-)-------------------------so what do you guys think? what about sata?And what other products are there that are just "repainted" old products marketing with hype?essentialy warnings for less experienced pc users could be posted here.
sanjeeve Posted July 29, 2004 Posted July 29, 2004 Doesn't Seagate makes native SATA drive that support command queuing?That should boost performance a fair bit. I would rather have4 serial ATA cables connected to 4 seperate drives than 2 huge, delicate, and generally more annoying ATA cables the connect 4 ATA drives...
SiMoNsAyS Posted July 29, 2004 Posted July 29, 2004 i personally own a maxtor sata drive and i must say that i'm very proud of it. i've tested it many times and it's a 15%/25% faster than an ATA133 drive. also that gives me an extra IDE slot. now imagine 2 SATA drives with RAID configuration i can't say anything bad about it perfomance or silent but... they're generally expensive. another thing that it's annoying it's that many OS does not have propper drivers so talking about windows i must load the driver during installation and for example knoppix (linux live cd) can read from the disk but not write to it. the solution it's time, but as a conclusion i recommend you my maxtor 6Y120M0 (120gb, 7200rpm, ≤ 9.3 ms average seek time, 8MB Cache Buffer, sata... read more)
jdeboeck Posted July 30, 2004 Posted July 30, 2004 @premier: you should chat with smarter peopleGigabitLAN, WLAN, Centrino worthless??? Bluetooth worthless???I was going to write something about SATA, but its more fun to call products worthless because I can't afford them.SCSI harddrive: worthless!PCI Express: worthless!Notebook: worthless!Athlon 64 FX: worthless! * No wait I'm a fanboy.Intel Itanium: worthless! * That's more like it.Plasma television: worthless!Italian sportscar: worthless!Motorized yacht: worthless!Berverly Hills mansion: worthless!
ITman Posted July 30, 2004 Posted July 30, 2004 I've been lurking around the forums for some time now. Seeing this thread made me want to register, which is a good thing . I manage a medium size IT shop for a research lab. Reading your conversation, I cant help but wonder when did this convo take place? Davis is wrong on several accounts:1) Seagate, Maxtor, Fujitsu all have native SATA drives (although I dont think the general public can get the Maxline III's yet)2) SATA is not more expensive. The drives are comparable in price (to PATA), however in the IT world, it is flat out blowing away SCSI. I just purchased an Triton 16Bay hot-swap Raid 5 SATA. It holds 6TB and it costs about $15k less than any comparable solution out there AND Im getting 220MB/s sustained transfer.Granted this is an extreme comparison because a majority of the forum users are home users. 3) 1 device per controller??!! He must mean mobo designers are only including 1 or 2 SATA pinouts. Each controller can actually support 2,4,6,8,16 SATA devices (depending if its a CERC, adaptec, Promise, etc) 3) His statements about P4, gigabit lan, etc..its not even worth rebuttingBottom line, every mobo made in the last 6 months (that isnt some value line ) comes standard with SATA and most of the times Serial Raid 0/1. Try comparing the performance between ANY PATA Raid 0 setup with Serial Raid 0. On one of my test box's I had a pair of Fujitsu PATA 120GB, 8MB cache, 7200rpm Raid 0 vs Maxtor Maxline Plus II SATA, 8MB cache, 7200rpm. Sandra Sisoft: PATA = 68MB/s, SATA = 93MB/sJust my 2.5 cents worth.
SiMoNsAyS Posted July 30, 2004 Posted July 30, 2004 @ITMAN very well explained and welcome to this forum!
ITman Posted July 31, 2004 Posted July 31, 2004 Ty!I do agree that many times a company is pushing new technology to make money, but I believe that is called innovation. Most people dont work long hours inventing new technology just for the sheer joy of it.
XtremeMaC Posted August 6, 2004 Posted August 6, 2004 hi there! great knowledge nice explanations. welcome ITmanis it fun to play with 6tb? of course there are lots of worthless hardware and software. but most of them are the steps to better hardware. bluetooth, well i think its a pretty usefull thing, instead of trying to use infra-red and trying to align the reciever and the transmitter, I think a wireless solution such as bluetooth is a new innovation. i'm sure we're going to have faster things soon.
LameBMX Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 Ummm yea seagate has sata native harddrives. sata1 had not changed in the previous six months or so before its release. im running a 2.8c @ 3.15GHz and it whomps the crap outta my amd 2500+ barton @ 3200+. And fi you still wanna complain about sata, try raid0 on an overclocked southbridge, start up some GTA-VC and imagine goin from island to island and thinking its a video card issue and not really it loading the next island off the harddrive (maxtors .. not sata native, but dont tell their speeds that), so yea go for sata, and feel comfortable because sata 1 & 2 are supposed to be backwards compatible, and sata 2 & 3 are supposed to be backwards compatible also, make the upgrade process able to be spread out over a longer period of time and less of a hit to your wallet.
Skyfrog Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 Before SATA we had big wide cables stuffed in our cases that blocked airflow and were sometimes hard to route. Had to shut off the computer before adding or removing any drives, and were limited to two drives on a channel. Not to mention having to fidget with little microscopic jumpers and sometimes unintelligible charts detailing the settings.Yeah, I'd say it's definately worth it.
Marsden Posted August 21, 2004 Posted August 21, 2004 We have ordered our new Maxtors... should be in next week. We edit video...Maxtor DiamondMax 10 hard drives, integrated, single-chip native SATA solution, the new DiamondMax 10 drives feature native command queuing (NCQ), dual-processor technology, and a new 16MB buffer to deliver unparalleled speeds compared to traditional 7200 RPM drives. The drives self-balance system workloads for more efficient hard drive operations. They are going into RAID 5 arrays and will kick a** as compared to SCSI crap...We are using 3ware's Escalade 9500Ses. We have tested production samples of the Maxtor 350 GB drives in excess of 400 Mbytes per second (MB/sec) sustained RAID 5 reads and over 100 MB/sec RAID 5 sequential writes with less than 3% CPU utilization.
MaloK Posted September 27, 2004 Posted September 27, 2004 They are going into RAID 5 arrays and will kick a** as compared to SCSI crap...Pardon me but SCSI 320 on a Adaptec 39320A-R with 20k drives is wayyyyyyyyyy faster if you configure it as raid 10 it's 4 time faster than a SATA Raid sorry but SCSI RULES.
nateklomp Posted September 27, 2004 Posted September 27, 2004 Although I still think that SATA1 drives are **** and not worth buying for current-generation PATA-enabled mobos, I do agree that SATA2 with NCQ on a PCIe-mobo is the next standard (2006?).The SATA cost-to-benefit ratio has definitely improved in the last year, IMHO mainly due to enterprise application of SATA raid boxes (IT depts are slavering over the SATA-to-SCSI cost ratio as we speak).
MadGutts Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 I have only played with a couple of SATA drives and controllers... But from what i have seen the speed currently is about the same as the equivent PATA drive.I have 2 Maxtor 200Gb Drives, 1 SATA, 1 PATA and they are working as a mirrored RAID with no faults. There is a very slight adventage to SATA drive in the temperature aspect though. the 2 drives i have both are vertical infron of the front case fans, and the PATA drive runs much cooler.For more information regarding SATA, visit:Free Dictionary = SATAHope this helps you decide!
cxxxkies Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Right now im using a SATA Maxtor 120 w/ 8MB and I’m quite satisfied with it... Including the 3years warranty My only comment with it is the cable.. not so flexible compare to ATA cables.. cannot bend.. hehehe
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