Belated first impressions

[D.Draker]

On 10/30/2024 at 1:40 PM, Karla Sleutel said:

GTX 780 Ti

I have a non-modified, original Ti Bios issued only to the press-release and installed only on developer' samples. 

It has no artificial throttling introduced to the public versions. They usually do it to avoid en masse RMA.

I can share.

[D.Draker]

Many, many games introduce artificial requirements to run on an OS made in 2018 and up. So it's not only the question of hardware.

And with old hardware, you're limited to very dated drivers.

[Karla Sleutel]

On 10/31/2024 at 3:02 AM, D.Draker said:

I have a non-modified, original Ti Bios issued only to the press-release and installed only on developer' samples. 

It has no artificial throttling introduced to the public versions. They usually do it to avoid en masse RMA.

I can share.

I'd like that.

[j7n]

Is there a gentle way of stopping background Metro apps other than removing the exe file? Like is there a service responsible for launching them? I took ownership and renamed StartMenuExperienceHost.exe and SearchApp.exe. I think whoever launches them is now trying to find those files again and again. The Start menu is a pathetic shadow of the real thing and takes a few dozen MB of RAM. There is no need for it with Classic Shell.

A fresh install is not so bad speed-wise. Still starts up with 1 GB of RAM used. Now there are no proceses of Edge, of which there were half a dozen or more on the existing installation. The first message I got was that "the administrator" had enabled required disagnostics sent to Microsoft.

I wonder how they have disabled control over certain services such as Windows Defender Firewall. They seem to still be stoppable in the registry. Some things cannot be taken ownership of by the Administrator.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, j7n said:

Is there a gentle way of stopping background Metro apps other than removing the exe file?

I don't allow the Metro Apps to install in the first place.

But once they are installed, you can uninstall them via PowerShell scripts.

[UCyborg]

It was always good to have the overpowered PC relative to the era of the game you wanted to play, assuming going for the most optimal experience, though "playable" bar is indeed much lower.

Taskbar button labels are enabled by disabling taskbar button combining (right-click on the taskbar->Taskbar settings). The behavior can be further tuned on per-app basis with 7+ Taskbar Tweaker if desired.

Quick Launch can be added by right-click on the taskbar->Toolbars->New toolbar...->browse to %AppData%\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch->Select Folder.

What bugs me a bit about the taskbar are phantom pinned items of programs that are created when moving its windows between monitors. I have set each taskbar to only show buttons of programs of the monitor it's on with button grouping disabled so can move buttons of the same program around freely.

[j7n]

7+ Taskbar Tweaker is essential. I've now configured the taskbar to look like Windows 2000. I have muscle memory to go for the Show Desktop button on the toolbar to the left instead of near the clock. Disabled all button dragging, and disabled pinning. Dragging is too easy to do accidentally. Somehow on my Windows 2008 computer a window somehow rarely still gets pinned. Once a week or so.

Well, I installed Server, which is clean of the main Apps by default. No Cortana, etc. But there are still unnecessary SystemApps that have augmented the shell. If I hide the search bar to give more room, SearchApp still runs. There is a new tiny character map (WinKey+Period), which is always running. And of course Settings, the analogue of which have been deleted from the Control Panel. For the Settings alone, I need to keep Metro-enabling services.

Now RAM use is down to 900 MB.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

25 minutes ago, j7n said:

Now RAM use is down to 900 MB.

Still sounds HIGH to me.  That's TWICE my Win10 RAM consumption.

Also, you souldn't focus only on RAM.  How many processes and threads and handles are you running?

[vinifera]

900 MB isn't that high... like in past ~10 years
seems to me your win10 is lying to you

Edited November 3, 2024 by vinifera

[NotHereToPlayGames]

6 hours ago, vinifera said:

seems to me your win10 is lying to you

No it F'in isn't!  (sorry, no other way to say it, lol)

Was a very lengthy and tedious process of trial-and-error to get it here, that's for sure.

I have provided you with the freebie tool to get you there also.

Until you (collective pronoun, not any one person) have demonstrated that you have taken that FIRST STEP (ie, proof that you have used that tool!), then I really cannot show you what you are doing WRONG if your Win10 is using 900 MB.

Show me the .ini file of the freebie tool and I'll show you why you're still so HIGH for Win10 RAM at twice where mine is.

[vinifera]

i don't use that spyware os

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Like everything else that has embedded spyware (ie, Firefox, Chrome, Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, 7, Vista, 8, 8.1, 10, 11, 360Chrome, you name it!), there are ways to remove it!

I was still running XP all the way through THIS YEAR.

It was only just months ago that I finally ditched XP and started using a heavily tweaked and customized bloat-free spyware-free Win10.

It took many many months of trial-and-error FREEBIE TOOL ALREADY MENTIONED to get Win10 to my liking.

Edited November 3, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[legacyfan]

1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Like everything else that has embedded spyware (ie, Firefox, Chrome, Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, 7, Vista, 8, 8.1, 10, 11, 360Chrome, you name it!), there are ways to remove it!

I was still running XP all the way through THIS YEAR.

It was only just months ago that I finally ditched XP and started using a heavily tweaked and customized bloat-free spyware-free Win10.

It took many many months of trial-and-error FREEBIE TOOL ALREADY MENTIONED to get Win10 to my liking.

for me using wise force uninstall tool always works to remove the bloat without failing its been my go-to method for windows 10 repair

Edited November 3, 2024 by legacyfan

[NotHereToPlayGames]

34 minutes ago, legacyfan said:

for me using wise force uninstall tool always works to remove the bloat without failing its been my go-to method for windows 10 repair

That's not enough.  Especially for 10 and 11.

If you want an OS without telemetry, you MUST remove "defender" , "smartscreen", "security center", and WINDOWS UPDATE.

If you cannot bring yourself to using an OS that doesn't "update itself", then you (collective pronoun!) are "talking from both sides of your mouth" regarding TELEMETRY.

I think what MANY of us forget is that it took us DECADES to get XP (just an example) to "behave" the way we wanted it to.  But then we "expect" 10 (or 11) to compete with those "decades of fixes" we did with XP.

I cite XP from personal experience.  XP had bloat.  XP was spyware!  Look up the history of "Alexa" and the way that XP [SP2+] handled IE downloads and Outlook Express attachments!  We just figured out how to remove the bloat and spyware.

Edited November 3, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

That's not enough.  Especially for 10 and 11.

If you want an OS without telemetry, you MUST remove "defender" , "smartscreen", "security center", and WINDOWS UPDATE.

If you cannot bring yourself to using an OS that doesn't "update itself", then you (collective pronoun!) are "talking from both sides of your mouth" regarding TELEMETRY.

I think what MANY of us forget is that it took us DECADES to get XP (just an example) to "behave" the way we wanted it to.  But then we "expect" 10 (or 11) to compete with those "decades of fixes" we did with XP.

I cite XP from personal experience.  XP had bloat.  XP was spyware!  Look up the history of "Alexa" and the way that XP [SP2+] handled IE downloads and Outlook Express attachments!  We just figured out how to remove the bloat and spyware.

Xp was peanuts. With a mediocre firewall, and by using the original Norwegian Opera, one could do just fine. Won 10 has so much processes, and numerous loggers running from the kernel. Could you slim down the kernel?