Belated first impressions

[D.Draker]

On 11/2/2024 at 8:05 PM, vinifera said:

900 MB isn't that high... like in past ~10 years
seems to me your win10 is lying to you

No reason not to trust @NotHereToPlayGames, esp. when the screenshots are given.

[legacyfan]

2 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

That's not enough.  Especially for 10 and 11.

If you want an OS without telemetry, you MUST remove "defender" , "smartscreen", "security center", and WINDOWS UPDATE.

If you cannot bring yourself to using an OS that doesn't "update itself", then you (collective pronoun!) are "talking from both sides of your mouth" regarding TELEMETRY.

I think what MANY of us forget is that it took us DECADES to get XP (just an example) to "behave" the way we wanted it to.  But then we "expect" 10 (or 11) to compete with those "decades of fixes" we did with XP.

I cite XP from personal experience.  XP had bloat.  XP was spyware!  Look up the history of "Alexa" and the way that XP [SP2+] handled IE downloads and Outlook Express attachments!  We just figured out how to remove the bloat and spyware.

i agree with this about the telemetry it's a big annoyance that i can never seem to remove completely and while i do want to remove everything for me updates are something i will always use but with the exception of removing the telemetry filled updates as i for one am not convinced by the whole every update has telemetry scaring that microsoft wants you to think 

Edited November 3, 2024 by legacyfan

[j7n]

The process count is around 90. But memory use is a proxy for the process count. This is where the memory goes. It's quite annoying to open the normal Task Manager and see the long list. I frequently look through that list to unalive a program and notice any new processes to investigate. But now it is full of services that are each in a separate process.

It is true that you need to needed to tweak past OS's too. Then computers became faster and we stopped most of the debloating. The situation gets progressively worse with bloat and privacy.

There is some new smart Unicode sorting algorithm. I thought I had lost a file beginning with the letter Y. Turns out it was sorted with the letter I (capital eye). I think it is associated with the locale "Latvia". We don't have the letter "Y" in the alphabet. So someone had the smart idea to put it in there. I think this didn't exist in Windows Seven. In a technical context this is nonsense. This reminds me of the numerical sorting from WinXP.

There is also the restriction on creation on file associations simply in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. It doesn't work and an Open With dialog always pops up. Has a workaround been found to restore the previous behavior? It is sometimes necessary to put multiple programs on the context menu, a viewer, and editor, a CLI converter. I was able to add Take Ownership the normal way on the * extension (all files) and Directory.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

On 10/26/2024 at 8:36 PM, j7n said:

There are about 120 processes running. My current computer with a lot of applications has 55.

 

17 minutes ago, j7n said:

The process count is around 90.

 

You're getting there.  How far you want to improve is totally up to you.

I'm just seeing that this thread was started by stating Win10 is too much for the computer that has been acquired and that Win7 was cited as a better choice.

While that is very likely entirely true for "default install" Win7 versus "default install" Win10, I have tweaked and debloated Win7 also and from my experience, it was a waste of time compared to a tweaked and debloated Win10.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

For reference, my tweaked and debloated Win7  ==  22 processes, 254 MB RAM...

I no longer remember what the process count and RAM consumption was before tweaking it.
This is the VM test-version for a Toshiba Satellite laptop that died earlier this year.
All of my OSes are tested on VMs before being applied to real hardware.
This VM hasn't been used since 2017, I only fired it up for a reference screencap as this laptop is long gone.

[j7n]

I found how to make file associations unrestricted and normal.

1. On later builds probably remove the UCPD.sys driver and reboot (not needed for me)

   HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\UCPD ! Start := 4

2. Remove OEMDefaultAssociations.dll
   Remove OEMDefaultAssociations.xml

3. Remove DENY permission for Administrator, and have all subkeys inherit
   HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FileExts

4. Delete all contents of this key to clear Open With choices.

There is a list of protected extensions in shell32.dll but it seems to not be important. I'm surprised that the DLL wasn't essential.

.3g2 .3gp .3gp2 .3gpp .aac .adt .adts .avi .bmp .dib .flac .gif .htm .html .jfif .jpe .jpeg .jpg .m2t .m2ts .m3u .m4a .m4v .mkv .mod .mov .MP2 .mp3 .mp4 .mp4v .mpa .MPE .mpeg .mpg .mpv2 .mts .pdf .png .tif .tiff .TS .TTS .txt .url .wav .website .wm .wma .wmv .WPL http https microsoft-edge microsoft-edge-holographic ms-xbl-3d8b930f

https://i.imgur.com/fjH0orY.png

[vinifera]

problem with your debloat approach is that you're destroying what win7 was
not to mention you actually lose performance by killing off GPU driven Compositor and backflopping to CPU classic/basic drawing

improvements to OS should never be case of chopping off...
might as well revert to classic XP then or even worse win2000

Edited November 20, 2024 by vinifera

[j7n]

To whom was this directed? I have not disabled the GPU compositioning on Windows 10. DWM is running. I even had to enable the shadow under the foreground window, otherwise it blended in with the background because of flat design. I had to have a transparent taskbar because otherwise it appears solid black with too much contrast. They could have beeen made to look good without a GPU, but Microsoft chose not to.

My Windows 7 (2008 R2) doesn't have Aero. Even Microsoft though that was a good default choice. The drawing of Windows is a simple task except in applications like a Web browser. Even a Pentium II could draw a basic GUI well.

Windows XP or Windows 2000 doesn't run most new applications today. Even simple ones that only appear in the console.

[vinifera]

to the guy above you