Mcinwwl Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Polish DIY zin about Pegasus/Famicom/NES. 60 PLN(~15$) for print, pdf will be for free. Polish only, sorry. Nearly a dozen pages had been written by my hand and keyboard. So yes, a show-off topic. Hope you'll check and enjoy. http://forum.contrabanda.eu/index.php?topic=1542.msg19126#msg19126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripredacus Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Hmm I am just aware of the Pegasus system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixel Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 5/29/2024 at 9:19 AM, Tripredacus said: Hmm I am just aware of the Pegasus system. No wonder, they were sold mostly in the third world. Most importantly, they belong to the grey "market of unlicensed NES hardware clones emerged during the climax of the console's popularity". For example: "In particular, the Dendy (Russian: Де́нди), an unlicensed hardware clone produced in Taiwan and sold in the former Soviet Union". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 "Famiclone" OP writes about here is a pirated version of official products. Not sure how to translate Pegagruz, but it looks like that one is also pirated, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Draker Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 6 hours ago, Saxon said: Not sure how to translate Pegagruz, but it looks like that one is also pirated, From what I learnt at the academy, "gruz" is extensively used in Russia and Eastern Bloc's military codes. For example, Gruz 200 means - dead Russky. Gruz 300 means severely wounded Russky, with no chance to be in combat any time soon, needs mending asap. So my guess "gruz" translates to something like "burden", "weight", "ballast". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, D.Draker said: From what I learnt at the academy, "gruz" is extensively used in Russia and Eastern Bloc's military codes. For example, Gruz 200 means - dead Russky. Gruz 300 means severely wounded Russky, with no chance to be in combat any time soon, needs mending asap. So my guess "gruz" translates to something like "burden", "weight", "ballast". Oh, thanks, I now get it! It means "load", most likely. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripredacus Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 14 hours ago, Dixel said: No wonder, they were sold mostly in the third world. Most importantly, they belong to the grey "market of unlicensed NES hardware clones emerged during the climax of the console's popularity". For example: "In particular, the Dendy (Russian: Де́нди), an unlicensed hardware clone produced in Taiwan and sold in the former Soviet Union". The Pegasus NES was sold in Poland. Dendy system were more of a thing people knew existed but didn't know about, more popular to know about than the Pegasus. I wouldn't consider Russia to even be a country to use as an example for famiclone proliferation, rather Hong Kong was the primary source for those. On translations, "just aware" meaning that I've heard of it before, not to mean that I just heard of it from this link. One of my side-projects is research into international release of computers and video games. Gruz is Polish word, not Russian, as one would expect that a book written in Polish would be using their own words. It translates to "rubble" as per Google translate, so I wonder if it is to mean "junk" like "retrojunk" type thing people from English speaking countries may refer to something as. Maybe a Polish speaking user can post here what the title is supposed to mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Draker Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 13 hours ago, Tripredacus said: It translates to "rubble" as per Google translate, so I wonder if it is to mean "junk" like "retrojunk" type thing people from English speaking countries may refer to something as. Actually, it's pretty close to the Russkies' meaning, out-of-service combatants. 13 hours ago, Tripredacus said: Gruz is Polish word, not Russian Gruz is officially used in Russia language as a very common word, I had seen it through numerous documents I worked on when studying them, though I wouldn't be surprised if the word is of Polish origins. Russia language has tons of French and German words. I sometimes wonder if they have their own at all. The core of their language is based on a gimped version of old Greek, adding numerous European words later on, then simplified for the local use and pronunciation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Draker Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 13 hours ago, Tripredacus said: Dendy system Was produced at a Russian military installation factory in Zelenograd (Federal subject: Moscow), I again know this from now non-secret documents. The second manufacturing site was somewhere in Taiwan. Considering the fact it was sold throughout the whole Combloc, including Poland, it was a big market. But then again, the OP might be too young to remember. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcinwwl Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 PDF is avaliable: http://contrabanda.eu/Pegagruz3.pdf @Tripredacus - thanks for showing others how to use dictionary XD yes, gruz means 'rubble' in polish, whether it came from russian to polish, or the other way around is a case of linguistic expertise I do not have. And "gruz" is a part of our local Contrabanda slang, where it can mean... well, pretty anything, context-based. So Pegagruz is just a mixture of a console name and our internal thing, so please do not try to translate the title. You're doomed to fail On 6/22/2024 at 2:48 AM, D.Draker said: Was produced at a Russian military installation factory in Zelenograd (Federal subject: Moscow), I again know this from now non-secret documents. The second manufacturing site was somewhere in Taiwan. Considering the fact it was sold throughout the whole Combloc, including Poland, it was a big market. But then again, the OP might be too young to remember. Yhm, so definitely your argumentum-ad-personam means my words are less important? always considered oldschool tech message boards to be meritocratic and free of such arguments, So I hope I just misunderstood you. But back to the topic. Dendy was NOT distributed in Poland, maybe with rare exceptions of some Russian trying to live through the crisis by tresspassing goods to Poland which was common. Steepler limited, who was a distributor, never opened a division in Poland. This is because Bobmark imported famiclones (later labeled as Pegasus) from 1991, and Dendy appeared in 1993, and at that time both brands posed to be an "original" compared to cheaper famiclones, which are counted in thousands differet models -and I'm not kidding here. If you wish a history of Dendy - Kinaman have it covered in his videos (english CC available) and you can have a good intro by reading Bootleg Games Wiki. Also, Dendy was first produced somewhere in far east and Rusian clones from Zelenograd appeared later and were produced well into 2000's - that we know thanks to dedicated scener, CaH4e3. As for where which model was produced - again, when you were born means nothing, because this knowledge was not available back then and is slowly surfacing now thanks to dedicated folks behind the sites like https://uc.pory.app/about, or individuals like FCGamer who moved to Taiwan and got hooked by knowing (and sharing) as much about it as possible So yes, the world of pirated consoles is vast and still much unknown, but fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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