WebGL and Windows XP

[j7n]

For me WebGL works fine at reasonable resolutions and simple games like the sci-fi racing in New Moon 28 and nVidia GT 610, with webgl.disable-angle true. As long as the display driver has good OpenGL it should work.

Why would you expect satisfactory experience of 3D without harware acceleration, translating opengl to direct3d while running JavaScript on an old CPU? Intel 8xx and 9xx Graphics had awful performance with native full-screen 3D games.

[GusCE6]

On 9/3/2021 at 7:26 PM, j7n said:

For me WebGL works fine at reasonable resolutions and simple games like the sci-fi racing in New Moon 28 and nVidia GT 610, with webgl.disable-angle true. As long as the display driver has good OpenGL it should work.

Why would you expect satisfactory experience of 3D without harware acceleration, translating opengl to direct3d while running JavaScript on an old CPU? Intel 8xx and 9xx Graphics had awful performance with native full-screen 3D games.

 

That's the whole point I've been trying to make- hardware acceleration DOES exist and DOES work on that old Sony!

The curious part is that it is not always there. For example, it absolutely is there for "Bejeweled 1-2" and "Plants Vs. Zombies." But for others it isn't. The checkbox in any of the Firefox browsers is always checked by default for "hardware acceleration."

I'm simply looking to get WebGL games working, I know it would be slow. That's not the point, just getting it running is.

There are ample 3D games that work nicely on that old laptop.

What I want to know is how to return browsers using WebGL to normal. My tinkering messed it up somewhat, how to get it back to default- and how to absolutely get a browser to actually use SwiftShader?

[j7n]

I am sure that the OpenGL window is independent of the acceleration checkbox, which is for compositing text and pictures. For me the the browser acceleration has never worked on XP.

[PlayerXP]

For all who want to play with OpenGL or WebGL

I may recommend very good diagnostic tool  "GPUview_v1.37"

It's quite usefull tool something similiar to CpuZ/GpuZ but much better. It's showing capabilities for all graphic API such like DX,OpenGL and Vulcan.

Also realtime testing and benchmarking is there!

 

I saw on 1th page of this thread someone shared screen from VMwaer and there was Galium.

This is MESA project (SW emulated OpenGL library)

Here come the fun!

Just download MESA DLL and place it into System directory or place it in same application directory (for example where is  GpuView.exe)

Don't forget rename it to opengl32.dll

The fun will start here.

You may have SW emulated OpenGL v2/v3 capabilities (dependent on which MESA lib is used)

Open GpuView now and check what capabilities you have now.

When is OpenGL present you may enable WebGL in webbrowser

My very old Firefox ESR 52.9 will be able play HTML5 youtube player for example. (slow but with some addons YT-format 18 (360p/mp4) on Pentium/1ghz quite fine

Have a fun!

Edited September 20, 2021 by PlayerXP
fixed filename now is correct

[RainyShadow]

@PlayerXP

Your version of GPU_Caps_Viewer needs SSE2, it won't run on P-III/AthlonXP systems.

I have v1.9.4 of that tool running fine on my AthlonXP. 

Running yours on a more modern system immediately asked to update to v1.52. While doing so, i stumbled upon a cool little game on that site - Quake in 13kb of javascript  

Unfortunately, it won't load on any of my XP-compatible browsers. I was able to play it in FF 78 and Edge (in Win10) though. 

 

[PlayerXP]

I know about 13kb Quake 1 level It's was on HackerNews few days ago

I remember from 1995 exist also native version on single 3 1/4 floppy disk Doom2/Quake (including IPX driver) for pupils and campus computers

but if you want play and test your graphic google OpenRA - just released

(open remake C&C Legacy C&C RedAlert, TiberiumSun and DUNE 2000! )

I wrote my old experience and not tested my archived stripped version of Geeks3d CapsViewer.

Here are some screenshots.  - how it really works

 

Quote

opengl32.dll__3.0 Mesa 13.0.6_Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 128 bits)_md5__76cef65abfca95f50f70ff1d5c240565__extensionGL208WGL9
opengl32.dll__3.0 Mesa 17.0.0_Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.7, 128 bits)_md5__0b6d0f2b80b94f24579a3b0e527f161f__extensionGL213WGL9

// that versions I tested DLL are 17mb they are really FAT!

I made mistake in my previouse post. The correct filename is opengl32.dll

Try it again now!
Before testing MESA DLL on Browser i recommending check capabilities and GL_version in CapsViewer this is the reason why I share it (i was not sure if is

available so old version i have archived this stripped size version)

Another usefull aplication which is not running without some OpenGL caps

is Blender v2.72 btw my HW driver is Slower as MESA SW driver thats funny

Sorry for that

btw: I am quite good Q3A player on excessivenet but I am not playing rail only mods if you want to play [Hullu]

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by PlayerXP

[Hunterw]

That was an amazing game for 13K. Shows what programmers can do if they put their minds to it :p

[RainyShadow]

On 9/20/2021 at 11:54 AM, PlayerXP said:

if you want play and test your graphic google OpenRA - just released

(open remake C&C Legacy C&C RedAlert, TiberiumSun and DUNE 2000! )

Quote

An important compatibility note is that OpenRA now requires GPU support for either OpenGL 3.2, DirectX 11, or OpenGL ES 3. Moving away from the legacy OpenGL 2.1 is important for future compatibility with modern rendering APIs (Vulkan/Metal) and for improving rendering performance with Tiberian Sun and the C&C Remastered Collection. This does unfortunately mean dropping support for some older systems (typically 10+ years old) that currently can run OpenRA, but we believe that this is a necessary tradeoff for the future.

Guess i'll pass on that.

Anyways, both C&C and Dune2000 were running fine here in their original form last time i tried

 

7 hours ago, Hunterw said:

That was an amazing game for 13K. Shows what programmers can do if they put their minds to it :p

If you liked that, check what's available at pouet.net, plenty of cool little (and not so little) things over there

Here is the JS games only list.

Edited September 25, 2021 by RainyShadow

[GusCE6]

I'm afraid I'm not sure what to think or do here? If it's just a file can I download it directly? Where exactly do I put it- in the browser folder with the EXE file? Does it work on a Pentium 3 (no SSE2 instruction set!) device? Is there a particular version needed?

[RainyShadow]

21 minutes ago, GusCE6 said:

I'm afraid I'm not sure what to think or do here? If it's just a file can I download it directly? Where exactly do I put it- in the browser folder with the EXE file? Does it work on a Pentium 3 (no SSE2 instruction set!) device? Is there a particular version needed?

Umm, could you specify what you are asking about? The Quake game? The Mesa DLL? Something else?

[GusCE6]

To get the WebGL running.

 

[RainyShadow]

Well, compile/download the Mesa3D library, rename it to opengl32.dll and put alongside the browser executable.

Maybe @PlayerXP could share the location of those precompiled binaries?

I found this site, but could only browse its archive...

There is also a project on Github, but the installer relies on mklink, which isn't available in XP. You could try to manually copy/rename the files though.

[UCyborg]

OP should at least post the content of about:support page, otherwise it's all a guessing game and waste of everyone's time.

[GusCE6]

Basilisk 52 in Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3:

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GPU #1
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Subsys ID: 00000000
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Diagnostics
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AzureCanvasBackend: skia
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Decision Log
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unavailable by default: Direct2D is not available on Windows XP
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About:Support from Palemoon 27 SSE (Linux) Puppy Linux 5.2.5 Lucid Mode:

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Extensions
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Graphics
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Adapter Description: GLXtest process failed (exited with status 1): GLX extension missing
GPU Accelerated Windows: 0/1 Basic Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version <Anything with EXT_texture_from_pixmap support> or newer.
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Note: There is a PET file which will install a form of OpenGL in Puppy Linux but it makes things run HOPELESSLY slow. If there is another way to do this I do not know of it.

Overall, the above does not look very promising. However, even at my level of skill I've found ways to get a number of things running that never would run: with 3D-Analyze, SwiftShader 2.0/2.1, ScummVM (which needs SwiftShader 2.1), and Puppy Linux roughly two dozen games and an app run.

So you never know. It's worth a try.

[UCyborg]

On 10/13/2021 at 4:47 AM, GusCE6 said:

webgl.angle.force-d3d11: true
webgl.angle.force-warp: true

Reset those in about:config, D3D11 is available on Vista+ and WARP is a software rasterizer which is part of D3D11. See what it says then.

Linux looks more hopeless since it reports missing OpenGL feature. I don't know whether it's only needed for HW compositing of web pages or also WebGL. In this case, I suspect both.

I remember some graphics related things in Firefox browsers on Linux could only be forced via an environment variable, but I don't recall any more details, I have a feeling it might have been just for compositing of web pages, not WebGL. Won't help if required feature is missing.

Edited October 15, 2021 by UCyborg