BudwS Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 7 hours ago, JorgeA said: --JorgeA P.S. I don't know what you count as "mid-tier" pricing, but IMO any laptop whose name begins with "Mac" is automatically disqualified from "mid-tier" consideration. (Sorry, NoelC. ) However, another IMO any laptop whose name begins with "Mac" gets multi-tier consideration because it just runs Windows software better that PCs and you have a stable OS X software that just runs and you control the updates. Just functional computing. If you can afford unstable software, buy a PC, pricing makes no difference. Sorry, JorgeA but the MacBook runs insider fast track W10 preview better than the Dell laptop. But both computers run W10. It's just an interesting journey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 10 hours ago, xman charl said: This is typical of Microsoft nowadays.... Notice on a recent build of win 10... Installed office 16 plus. Open onenote, a yellow bar displays across doc , get office 365 now. Sure is nice... Charl Many of my customers experience problems with 365....but if you think about it in terms of you pay a monthly/yearly subscription for 365 then it isn't so strange that other office products don't work....another typical example is telling users that have Microsoft email accounts they can't continue using Windows Live Mail unless they have Windows 10....everything they do is centred around this crap or the fact that we should have subscriptions for their products!! More and more of my older customers (pensioners) are going over to open source products for office such as Libre, Open Office and using Mozilla Thunderbird as their email client if they have Outlook, Hotmail etc instead of being bullied into upgrading to Windows 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 21 minutes ago, BudwS said: However, another IMO any laptop whose name begins with "Mac" gets multi-tier consideration because it just runs Windows software better that PCs and you have a stable OS X software that just runs and you control the updates. Just functional computing. If you can afford unstable software, buy a PC, pricing makes no difference. Sorry, JorgeA but the MacBook runs insider fast track W10 preview better than the Dell laptop. But both computers run W10. It's just an interesting journey. "Multi-tier" is not what Formfiller was asking about. He was asking for recommendations for a notebook with mid-tier pricing. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 20 minutes ago, bookie32 said: Many of my customers experience problems with 365....but if you think about it in terms of you pay a monthly/yearly subscription for 365 then it isn't so strange that other office products don't work....another typical example is telling users that have Microsoft email accounts they can't continue using Windows Live Mail unless they have Windows 10....everything they do is centred around this crap or the fact that we should have subscriptions for their products!! More and more of my older customers (pensioners) are going over to open source products for office such as Libre, Open Office and using Mozilla Thunderbird as their email client if they have Outlook, Hotmail etc instead of being bullied into upgrading to Windows 10. Good for them!! Personally, I recommend Softmaker Office, which is highly compatible with MS Office files -- much more so IMX than LibreOffice. It's not free (although they do offer a Softmaker Free Office version), but it's a lot less expensive than MS Office. Oh, and it doesn't have the stupid Ribbon interface. I've already switched to it on my business laptop and will make it my to-go office suite if 2007 becomes too incompatible to get work done. --JorgeA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, JorgeA said: Good for them!! Personally, I recommend Softmaker Office, which is highly compatible with MS Office files -- much more so IMX than LibreOffice. It's not free (although they do offer a Softmaker Free Office version), but it's a lot less expensive than MS Office. Oh, and it doesn't have the stupid Ribbon interface. I've already switched to it on my business laptop and will make it my to-go office suite if 2007 becomes too incompatible to get work done. --JorgeA Thanks a lot for the info...I will take a look and if they have language support for Swedish - then it would be something I can recommend to my customers as an alternative! bookie32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xman charl Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 me too, gonna try that out thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formfiller Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 24.10.2016 at 11:51 PM, JorgeA said: When did you last visit? Three months ago. About the notebooks: Do Intel core i-6000 CPUs work without a fuss with Windows 8.1, still? I remember Microsoft's fear mongering that they would stop support for newer processors on 7 and 8. I am a bit out of the loop, because the last months I haven't dabbled in all this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTDirector Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Formfiller said: Three months ago. About the notebooks: Do Intel core i-6000 CPUs work without a fuss with Windows 8.1, still? I remember Microsoft's fear mongering that they would stop support for newer processors on 7 and 8. I am a bit out of the loop, because the last months I haven't dabbled in all this at all. Yes, they work. I'm currently using a i7 6700K on Windows 8.1 without any issues, no crashs. Even USB 3.1 works great on Windows 8.1 so I don't see any problem here. For the support, they went back and now they say it's for Kaby Lake (ix-7xxx) but since I have chosen to not updating my systems if it's not really needed (who can trust the new ms ?) it's not really a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Formfiller said: Three months ago. About the notebooks: Do Intel core i-6000 CPUs work without a fuss with Windows 8.1, still? I remember Microsoft's fear mongering that they would stop support for newer processors on 7 and 8. I am a bit out of the loop, because the last months I haven't dabbled in all this at all. I second what MTDirector said. A few months back, Microsoft backtracked on the decision to stop supporting Windows 7 on Skylake next year. Now they will keep supporting Win7 on Skylake until the general Win7 EOS in 2020. I think it also means that Win8.1 will be supported on Skylake until 2023 as one would have expected. But neither Win7 nor 8.1 will be supported on more recent processors such as Kaby Lake. However, it's unclear at this point whether that means that 7 and 8.1 won't run at all; the linked article has some interesting point-counterpoint on that subject. Note, though, the following clarification at the very end of the article: Quote Microsoft's support strategy applies to the use of the chips within Windows PCs, not Linux or Apple Macs. This will be interesting to Linux and Apple fans, and could become another argument for switching to one of those platforms instead of Windows 10. --JorgeA Edited October 26, 2016 by JorgeA addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTDirector Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) For Kaby Lake and Zen, it's still x86 cpus so Windows 7 and 8 will work but will not support new features and we may have problem to find drivers but they will work. Time will tell for drivers PS : I can't imagine that hardware manufacturer will stop supporting more than a half of their customers, just OEM will follow MS statements so, if you built your own PC you will probaly find drivers. Like I said, we will see when Kaby Lake and Zen will be on the market. Edited October 26, 2016 by MTDirector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie32 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, JorgeA said: I second what MTDirector said. A few months back, Microsoft backtracked on the decision to stop supporting Windows 7 on Skylake next year. Now they will keep supporting Win7 on Skylake until the general Win7 EOS in 2020. I think it also means that Win8.1 will be supported on Skylake until 2023 as one would have expected. But neither Win7 nor 8.1 will be supported on more recent processors such as Kaby Lake. However, it's unclear at this point whether that means that 7 and 8.1 won't run at all; the linked article has some interesting point-counterpoint on that subject. Note, though, the following clarification at the very end of the article: This will be interesting to Linux and Apple fans, and could become another argument for switching to one of those platforms instead of Windows 10. --JorgeA I didn't need another argument for switching....but that is a nice one....;) Windows 10 will never be installed on any of my computers and I have several.... Yet another example of Microsoft cutting off their nose to spite their face....It would be nicest present an old git like me could see...Microsoft gone bankrupt because of stupidity... It wont be the first time major companies have taken the wrong turns and ended up dead in the water.... I know....I am dreaming out loud...;) bookie32 Edited October 27, 2016 by bookie32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 A small UI improvement in the latest version (14393.651) -- the File Explorer back and forward arrows are much easier to see now: And the arrows get highlighted when there is something that can be done with them (see at left, below): A nice little improvement. The thin arrows surrounded by a sea of white were a distinct annoyance. I don't remember seeing these improved arrows before. Maybe somebody will enlighten me on that. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralcool Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 So where did the up arrow go? Another regression? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn10950 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 hours ago, ralcool said: So where did the up arrow go? Another regression? That's been gone since Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralcool Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Um, no- its been back since Win8 Geez, photobucket is so loaded with ads it barely loads... cpu time crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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