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Check this list out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units Look for PCI in the 'Bus interface' column. Best you can get for a Win9x system appears to be GeForce 6200 PCI, lower are 5200/5500/5600. These all suport DirectX 9. You can go even lower but none of the Ti4xxx supporting DirectX 8.1 have PCI bus so skip them and go even lower. The MX series only support DirectX 7.0 so you'd have only have limited access to newer games. The whole issue here is what exactly does your motherboard/chipset/BIOS support in regard to PCI videocards and I have no idea how to find this out other than by trial and error. But it's not worth wasting money for that.

They're both either incompatible or defective. It's up to you to perform tests in another (newer) machine and find out. There's nothing more I can do from out here. Once you find a good working card we'll see about the corresponding drivers, but right now we're stuck on hardware issues.

Thank God, never! Imagine how much they would've charged for such things, if they've been thriving for so long on Windows and Office only!

Here we go. I fired up my Deskpro. In BIOS there's an Advanced menu item. Under it there are a few options as seen in this screenshot. Those are the regular options with no additional videocard in any PCI slot. When a (compatible) videocard is mounted in a PCI slot, the same menu is modified as seen in this screenshot. Note the presence of an extra item called PCI VGA Configuration. If that item is not present after mounting the card then something is wrong. That is, assuming your BIOS works like mine. Now, if that menu item is present, opening it will display a dialog similar to the one in this screenshot. I've used an S3Trio64V2/DX videocard. The only alternative would have been a more obscure Alliance Semiconductor AT24 card; I don't have any newer PCI videocard around. In that dialog the preferred video can be set as Primary VGA Device. The BIOS does not allow both videocards to be enabled. The preferred videocard will be enabled while the other one will automatically be disabled, as can be seen in this screenshot. In that same dialog (Advanced > PCI Devices) the videocard IRQ can be chosen from a few available options if there are problems with the operating system or the driver. When I first mounted the S3 card and powered up the machine, the built-in video was automatically disabled. There also was a beep sequence (one long three short, I think). It took another reboot to actually get video output from the S3, then I went into BIOS and tweaked the few available settings. So you should try again with the Sapphire, make sure you connect the monitor to it before powering up and reboot again if you don't get any image at first boot. When you mount the card, look if it's fully inserted in the PCI slot - you may gently bend the metal bracket if the card is not correctly aligned (sticks out a millimeter or two at the rear end). Be careful with the riser slot, look at the contacts and if they look dirty/oxidated take a pencil rubber and clean them up, then push it down firmly but gently to make sure it's fully inserted. You can do the same to the videocard if needed, but careful not to break any components. My riser only has two PCI and one ISA (the ISA and one PCI are shared so there's only two avaialble bracket holes at the rear). If none of the two videocards works then try to find a very old one (such as the S3 I used) just to verify that the PCI slots work and the BIOS recognizes a videocard and offers the options. Then try to test both videocards on a slightly newer machine with a "sane" BIOS that should accept them without problems and see if they actually work or are defective. That should definitely shed some light on where the problem lies and what to do further. I need some sleep now, it's 2:30 AM here. Good luck!

That may be the AGP aperture or the amount of RAM it takes for the built-in video. Either way, that means the internal video works with an AGP bus which is superior to PCI. It just doesn't have an external AGP slot for an alternative card. I think my board may be similar to yours; I'll see when I open it.

True that, sadly! I'm only hoping enough people will escape the "program" and start using their brains so they can emerge as a true power and set things on the right track, not only software-wise. I also am a huge fan of science-fiction. Actually was, because reality is now beyond comparison.

Secure from everything Microsoft don't want or allow. That's the whole point. Alternatively, they may push this whole security hype so aggressively so that people at some point would burst into "enough with this, we don't want any security anymore!", at which point… well, feel free to improvise on the rest of the scenario.

The PCI Sapphire card I've seen on a quick search is 64MB not 128MB. Only the AGP versions were 128MB. Are you sure your cards are PCI? Don't mess with the IRQs in BIOS, there should be - if available - only a PCI/AGP selection for video initialization. Otherwise either the BIOS won't accept a PCI videocard or it should switch to it automatically when detected. The fact that the Sapphire doesn't allow output video on the built-in could mean that the BIOS recognizes it and accepts it but either it can't power it up, can't fully communicate with it or the card is defective. A 32MB videocard should be acceptable for old games so at this point either card would be fine if only it worked. Let me see if I can start my machine one of these days and look in the BIOS for useful settings. Don't break anything in the mean time!

According to BIOS Central: 1 long, 2 short | Video error | Check the video adapter and ensure it's seated properly. If possible, replace the video adapter You said you had an old PCI card that you tried before getting the new one. Do they both exhibit the same behavior? Do you get the same beep sequence with both cards? Since Windows is starting and not detecting the videocard plus the soundcard was moved - if I understand correctly - from one slot to another and it still works, that means the PCI slots are in good shape but either: - both videocards require a newer PCI version - both videocards are defective - BIOS does not allow video other than the built-in - BIOS is not set to initialize video from PCI first One of these days I'll have to pull my Deskpro from under that pile of thingies and fire it up, see what it can (and cannot) do. Right now I'm out of ideas other than what I said above.

Guess I'l take the Robin Hood approach.

Thanks. Could you take this shift, please? I'll have to catch some sleep, it just got 'tomorrow' here on my side of the world.

OK; then replace "Win10" with "Win98" in my comment above and tell me what happens after you do what it says: - did you get any visual output (even if only the POST screen) from the ATI card on that 98 system? - did you find any setting on the Deskpro that can select PCI for video initialization and have you selected PCI there? - did you get any visual output from the ATI card on the Deskpro after connecting the monitor to it and powering up the system?

I just noticed there's a new subforum out there for XP Embedded/POSReady systems, as promised: link. Maybe the original poster could add this link to first post of this topic so people having trouble with PaleMoon 26.0 and later would know where to head to. If hope is a b!tch then hoping is b!itchin'…?

It all depends on what the user wants or needs to do on their machine. In my opinion, an operating system: - must be a simple but solid framework, built with flexibility and extensibility in mind, but most of all with compatibility - should never be allowed to refuse an application built for it, regardless of that application's initial compatibility - should always adapt to whatever hardware it's being run on and should never be allowed to refuse any particular piece of hardware as long as it's compatible - should always be in user's control, not the other way around - should be completely standalone, never tied to remote resources or require confirmation from remote third-parties - should never waste any kind of resources "just in case" or "because there's plenty at hand" and I could probably list a few more ideal characteristics of an operating system but we already realized that the world currently does not have a real operating system. Unless it's so well hidden that we never heard of it. But even so, I bet it's not in Microsoft's locker. Because they just can't code.

You don't necessarily need drivers for that card if you only want to check if it works or not. Especially on a Win10 system. Once again I'm telling you what do do in BIOS on both machines: search through all possible option screens, find a setting that allows you to select where to look for a videocard first (ISA/PCI/AGP/PCIe) and choose PCI if available (not PCIe). Then if you connect the monitor to the new videocard's output and reboot you should see the POST sequence and maybe the Windows boot sequence, possibly also the desktop in low colors/resolution. But as long as you see the POST sequence it means the card is (mostly) OK so you can mount it in the Deskpro, where you have to do the BIOS thing above too. If you don't change the videocard lookup priority, the system will always use the built-in and ignore the PCI card (although there are boards that allow both the add-in and the built-in at the same time). That may be the only reason why your previous card didn't work (and the new one might not work either). Once you see it working on the Win10 machine you'll know whose fault is.

it just dawned on me: - what if they don't want regular users to go creative? - what if they want to get and hold monopoly to everything software-related? - what if they want to turn user devices into read-only dumb terminals than can only play back their content, under strict supervision? Scenario: - turn on device - access Store - pay for <content> - download <content> - consume <content> - shut down device Real computers would only be built and delivered to specific, approved persons/enterprises. The rest of the world will only be able to take photos, record private videos and buy buy buy buy buy coyprighted <content> for their dumbed-down hand-held devices running crippled wannabe operating systems. Sounds utopic? Wait and see. EDIT: Yes, Agorima, that's the one!

Looks like the guy is not that stiff after all. Too bad we had to do harsh talk and all that stuff to get him take the right decision where there is a choice and responsibility is entirely on the user for unsupported configurations. Now let's hope there won't come the usual trolls/shills that fill their board with POSReady-related alleged bugs that would make him flip the switch again for good. But you know hope is a b!tch so… (typos, as always…)

We still run 9x in 2016 with no support from "mommy" Microsoft, why not run other "unsupported" software as well? Remember: Tihiy by himself years ago created LameSkin which evolved into Revolutions Pack while everyone around mocked him saying it can't be done. We should prove Microsoft and anyone else in their stronghold that we have better programmers and they are not for sale!

Something like this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/25/linux_foundation_scraps_individual_membership/ Not exactly that one but along the same lines.

How about going at 0x0A31 and replacing 0x75 with 0xEB? That'd be less error prone. EDIT : For the sake of completeness, let's put it this way: - the portable version of Palemoon is compressed with UPX so it has to be uncompressed before patching i.e. upx.exe -d drive:\path\to\palemoon.exe - at hex address 0x0A31 replace value 0x75 with 0xEB (that'd be JNZ --> JMP) any hex editor would do, I use XVI32 just because I had it around - save the edited file in my tests it didn't need any certificate removal or checksum fixed - compress the executable back using UPX (optional, it runs fine as it is) i.e. upx.exe --best drive:\path\to\palemoon.exe

Linux has already been compromised by M$, Google and others (there was a recent link around here exposing a few things).

If that guy were a real programmer he would've put a one-time messagebox stating something like "You're a stupid user using a stupid hack, therefore don't come crying to me when your computer blows up because you ran my software. Do you agree to this? if not, eff off!" and a couple buttons labelled 'Yes' and 'No'. The choice belongs to the user. I was about to say more but I've had enough barking up the wrong tree. Real programmers died long ago and a new generation might take too long to rise again.

Unfortunately they're not playing a fun game. When there is no choice we must create one. Forcibly, if there's no other way. But a clever one at the same time.

The PCI slots are identical in shape but there is an underlying software difference. Unfortunately, the so-called search engines don't care about search terms and just throw at the user whatever garbage has been more "requested", therefore I couldn't find an article describing differences between PCI (and not d4mn PCI-express) versions. However, there may be little chances that such difference may affect the functioning of a videocard but please do keep it in the back of your mind, just in case. I have no idea if the dreaded spying software known as Windows 10 will recognize and enable a PCI video card, but if you set the BIOS correctly (as I already said somewhere above in regard to slot priority, providing that machine's BIOS does have such feature) you may at least see the POST screen while the computer starts, if only for a split second. Actually, that's what you should've done with your current videocard already, to verify if it's in good shape or not. There's no point in acquiring a bunch of videocards if the Deskpro simply doesn't accept a PCI videocard. I assume you already know this, but just for the sake of it: if the card doesn't first fit visually in the slot, do not attempt to force it in!

Some of us, very few, need another planet to live on. There is no alternative to that other than death.