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Yeah I won't lie, I missed that post. Regardless of Firefox itself, other Gecko based browsers like Waterfox, which claims to be more privacy focused with no telemetry, might work on 8.1 for a longer time as well. You can obviously choose to use the browser you want. All I ment is that Firefox (-based browers) will be safer than Chrome after October, as Mozilla has extended 7/8 support till late 2024. Currently, it is harder to find/build a Chromium browser, based on the latest version, than to modify Firefox to work on 8.1
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To clarify a few things: I haven't tested anything on Windows 7, only on 8.1, and from what I know the latest Opera (tested yesterday) works fine on Windows 8.1. As I had already discussed with @D.Draker Opera is probably just lagging behind in adjusting changes to the browser. In this particular case it's good for us, as we can use a browser, which is based on the latest Chrome right now. Chrome and Chromium themselves do not work on Windows 8.1 anymore since the release of v115. The last version of Google Chrome to work on Windows 8.1 was 114. Chromium based alternatives are: Supermium, CatsXP, Vivaldi and Opera (there might be others too but I tested these). Supermium isn't updated as frequently as the others are but is the closest to resemble the Chromium browser optically. I would recommend any active 8.1 user to switch to Firefox instead, as long as they don't break compatibility with 8.1. Even Windows Vista ran Firefox 115 ESR, although it ended with 52. I am optimistic to say the least but I wouldn't bet my money on Mozilla not adding any dll or function from Windows 10+ that will eventually break 8.1 support anytime soon. Best scenario would be if 8.1 made it till the release of the next ESR. That would at least guarentee another year of promised security updates. However, the next ESR will be v128 and that version is set to release in May-July 2024. Support could crack wayy earlier. If that happens, use 115 ESR instead.
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That dll is needed for what? Never used it and Firefox 119 works on 8.1
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Microsoft 365 v2310 (beta) works on Windows 8.1. That version is set to release in October. Support originally ended in January with v2301
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Is Windows Copilot also coming to Windows 10? Any news about that? I mean they said they are shutting down Cortana on both 10 and 11. I assume they won't. Just like Internet Explorer, which they said will be "removed" from Windows 10 last year, Cortana will probably stay on the taskbar and as an installed app but in a discontinued state.
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Yup. 119 does too
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Yeah, I agree with you. There are plenty of Windows 10 releases and even driver manufactors like Intel always increase their minimum system requirement to the latest 2 or 3 versions of Windows 10. My i5 8250U was released in 2017 and couldn't run anything below 1703 as far as I remember (with modified drivers only). I am also curious if the upcming Intel 14th Gen processors will even offer Windows 10 support anymore, since 13th Gen was already 21H2 and up only. We also have company based apps that get revised annualy and always increase their system requirements between Windows 10 versions. Edit: I tested Chromium 118 on 1607 and it works well. They implemented a function that was introduced with Server 2016/14393
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I also tested Opera 102 (based on Chromium 116) and it also works on Windows 8.1 (will share a screenshot later). What I don't quite understand is how Opera, a Chromium based browser, can still work on W8, when the source Chromium browser doesn't even start up anymore. Same goes for Chrome and Edge btw. I'm not complaining tho, I am just curious.
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I just noticed that Chrome is not working on older versions of Windows 10 anymore. My 10 LTSB 1507 can‘t run the latest Chromium (118) anymore because of dll issues
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Firefox 119 (a1) working on Windows 8.1 imgur.com/a/pP2se64
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Google had ended Drive support for Windows 8, 8.1 and Server 2012 with version 79 last month. They just dropped v80 and (I guessed it) it works on Windows 8.1 (x64) imgur.com/a/1YVGp57
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The final 117 will work as well. Even 118 alpha works on 8.1
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116 works on Windows 7 117 alpha builds works up to 2023-07-18 118 does not work I'm testing new nightly builds on 8.1 every day and it still seems to work. Let's see for how long. Would be nice to get another ESR working on 8.1. This would indicate that support would extend for another year.
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Happy to announce that Microsoft Office 365 (MS 365) v2309 is working on Windows 8.1 Support for 8.1 had been dropped in January with v2301/2302 (in some cases)
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Google has just released Drive v79 and it seems to be the last supported version available for Windows 8.1. They have stated this in their release notes (support.google.com/a/answer/7577057?hl=en). It's chromium underlayer is still based on Chromium 105. I think they will update the Chromium framework to v115 with the next update. Nonetheless, it will be worth trying to backport newer versions to 8.1, since newer Chromium versions technically work on W8.
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https://imgur.com/a/cDGZ8eD
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Glad to see that Firefox 118 (Alpha 1) is working on Windows 8.1
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Nah they ain't that smart I guess. They're known for doing senseless decisions from time to time.
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Browser News: Despite the fact that Chrome/Chromium 115 as well as Edge are not working on Windows 8.1 anymore, I tried out other Chromium based browsers and landed at Opera. Opera ended their support for Windows 7 and 8.1 in January 2023 (March actually) with v95 based on Chromium 109. I tried out the latest version (101 based on Chromium 115) and it works without any issues. You need to apply some changes with CFF Explorer, however it does not crash like Chrome 115. Newer versions might work as well, but no guarantee obviously. Opera 101 (Chromium 115) on Windows 8.1: imgur.com/a/hFe2ooy
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Maybe it's a little off-topic now but I just realized something strange. Server 2008 is based on Vista (both 6.0.6000) Server 2012 is based on Win8 (6.2.9200) Server 2016 is based on Win10 Anniversary (10.0.14393) Windows Server 2022, which was released in August 2021, right before Windows 11, looks like Windows 10 but it's build number is 10.0.20348. It's actually a higher build number than Windows 10's (19045) and it has Windows 11's icons (e.g. Settings, Security). What was Microsoft thinking when they were building that version? It's updates are NOT compatible with Windows 10, meaning that one can not just install Server 2022's Updates on Windows 10, once 10's support runs out. I remember there were new Windows 10 builds in 2021 and it is probably based on one of them.
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It is indeed, however it does not work on 8.1, showing the error DiscardVirtualMemory could not be located (since v112). There might be some things missing or Windows 10`s one is extended. Supermium und other Chromium forks also changed DiscardVirtualMemory to VirtualAlloc. Thats's not even all. You need a newer version of DWrite from Windows 10+ and obviously add --no-sandbox. That combo worked from 112-114, but 115 will not open up anymore. It just crashes, without any error shown
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Thanks for your reply. Do you/or anyone know what changed between Chromium 114 and 115 that the browser does not work anymore on Windows 8.1? Starting with 115 it instantly crashes, whereas 114 would work perfectly fine without any glitches. I changed DiscardVirtualMemory to VirtualAlloc but still. No luck.
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Could the original Chromium Browser also made compatible with 7/8.1 again by applying the same changes the Supermium Team did? Like those changes in Chromium.dll for example
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So, new news: - Microsoft 365 (formerly Office 365) v2308 works on Windows 8.1. Support had ended with v2301, roughly half a year ago (link below) - Firefox 117 (latest Alpha) works flawlessly on Windows 8.1 (7 as well) - Chrome 114 works, but 115 crashes for me (there are forks like Supermium or CatsXP that are based on 115 but I haven't tested them, so I cannot recommend them) I am kind of surprised that Microsoft didn't implement functions that would break compatibility with Windows 8.1 yet. They probably don't care. Windows 7's compatibility was broken after v2002 as far as I remember. imgur.com/a/FvieLQC
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I also liked the aesthetic of Firefox in v57-88 very much. Sadly, 78 ESR isn't supported anymore, so I always try to keep up with latest version. Right now all versions, including the betas and nightlies work fine on 7/8.1