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17 hours ago, ArcticFoxie said:
OK, I downloaded this one, and it looks pretty good so far!
However, is there a way to enable a menu bar? I can't seem to find an option for it....
Speaking of options, I discovered some awkward grammar errors in some English phrases, screenshots of which follow, along with captions (this will take awhile):
What on earth is a Boss Key?
That's probably supposed to be something like "OK" or "Understood"
The Avatar seems to be Chinese? Can I remove/change it, or must the browser be modified?
The phrasing of some of these is decidedly weird. For example, ought "Not use system dpi" be "Use Custom DPI" instead?
More of the same. Obvious issues indicated by the red arrows, underlines and ovals.
And finally, this. As far as I know, in this context, one doesn't generally use the singular "gesture", since there's usually more than one!
I feel like maybe I'm being very OCD, and I don't mean to be a pest, but these stood out as things that ought to be reported so the maker of the package can fix it.
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Whew! Much to catch up on here!!
8 hours ago, ArcticFoxie said:I wish there were more MSFN users actually INTERESTED in 360Chrome.
It has a lot of potential but the number of users here that use it can be counted on one hand!
I'd like to try it out! As a general rule, I try to avoid Chrome and most chromium-based browsers (modern Opera being a notable exception) because of Google's telemetry (there's more than enough of that nonsense everywhere else... I don't need it in my browser too!). I've been on the sidelines here, watching and waiting for some sort of ready-to-go Extreme Explorer 360 package with all the Chinese and Russian telemetry removed, and it looks like it has happened in the form of @ArcticFoxie's build 2206, which, if I am following correctly, is a build of version 13?
Anyway, I have numerous machines here which are limited to XP, either by choice or, in some cases, necessity, plus a handful of VMs on my Macs, so it would be nice to have a decently modern browser for them.
That being said, what should I download?
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Did you try re-registering all the Installer dlls and such, or maybe reinstalling 4.5 altogether?? It seems to me that 4.5 usually supersedes 3.1, and anything that expects 3.1 should work just fine with 4.5, so maybe there's some subtle corruption going on somewhere....
Unless you can confirm it works 100% with anything other than the updates you're attempting to run?
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I don't know how many computers I have now, however, at last count I think I had roughly 100
This is primarily Macs of various shapes, sizes and ages, but there's a fair number of PCs as well.
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I came of age in the late 90s!
However, I remember virtually nothing of it, except at the very tail end (I do clearly remember when Windows 98 was the latest and greatest, though
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Unfortunately and somewhat tragically, most of my "recent" memories actually begin around the time of 9/11/01. With big crashes and bangs, no less (I will never forget that sad, sad day). @VistaEX You're lucky you missed out on that one!
Anyway, as far as music goes, I was raised on oldies and 60s-style folk (that's what my mother played on the radio all the time back then), so I don't know much about anything past the early 80s. I sampled then-modern country and pop for awhile in 98-99, but decided I didn't like it and went back to oldies (yes, I know....). I have revisited pop every now and then since, and every time I listen, I can't switch it off soon enough because I'll find that it has gotten at least 1,000% worse since the last check in.
Sometimes I feel like I belong in the past....
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Mac OS because not only does all the software I like to use (Adobe, Avid/Digidesign) work better on it, but also the fact that my main computer at the moment happens to be a MacBook Pro.
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It did go up slightly, from .25% to .27%, since January 2021? Probably well within any error margin, though.
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It seems to me that the last Windows that was truly free of this stuff (in it's original, RTM form, not after subsequent updates) was Windows 95 and NT 3.51/4.0.
The "webification" movement, which began with Windows 98 (really, 95 OSR 2.5, aka 95 C) is probably where this all started.
To that point, in my opinion, the "telemetry" (or whatever one wants to call it) is relatively benign in Windows versions before 7, so I don't really feel too concerned by it. And besides, with the TLS 1.0/1.1 apocalypse, most such services in XP/Vista probably don't even work anymore anyway (and the few that still do can be disabled fairly easily for the most part).
In my opinion, therefore, the main reason to block them all is primarily to increase efficiency and decrease wasteful use of system resources (which tend to be more scarce on most XP-era hardware) and internet bandwidth, not to protect privacy per se (quite frankly, staying away from Google, Facebook and Amazon (basically, staying off the Internet altogether, if possible) will do more to protect one's privacy than blocking XP's telemetry services).
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Lots to catch up on here!
Firstly, I don't know what was up with Dixel's, um, fervent fixation on the intertwining of KGB-type things in almost every aspect of the modern Internet, but I'm glad it's over. For now, anyway; it was getting pretty close to violating the no-politics rules, I think. I wasn't really following any of it, so I can't say for sure.
Secondly, I'm really glad these browsers are still being released regularly, despite repeated attempts by MAT, et. al. to thwart @roytam1's efforts via FUD and other underhanded methods. It's my go-to browser for XP, 2000 (with the Extended Core), and, before win32's marvelous Extended Kernel project came into being, Vista.
It would be nice to eventually see it cleaned up a bit, maybe like have a milestone release every 4-6 weeks like Mozilla (or, better yet, proper branding!) Of course, things as they are are perfectly fine for most of the few people left using XP (most of whom are likely to be power users who know their way around this stuff), but I've observed that the frequent release of many different developmental versions can be pretty confusing for those who simply want a browser that works, as they can't decide which one they want, nor do they fully understand how to "install" them. This has been discussed at length off-and-on, so I'm not saying anything new, I don't think.
Be that as it may, I'm simply glad this project exists!
Keep up the good work!
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@Dave-H Well, Vista is mentioned parenthetically in the thread title, so it oughtn't be completely off topic, yes?
That being said, a separate, Vista-specific thread would be much more appropriate, as too much of it here tends to distract from all the XP-specific information, thereby causing confusion.
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@Dave-H Interesting problem. When you do a manual update check/install, are you able to use the traditional IE-based WU interface to do it, or must you use another software's UI, such as Windows Update MiniTool or some such, to accomplish the task?
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I tried to set up WSUS on a Server 2008 R2 VM, and all I keep getting is this:
Anyone know why?
Windows is fully updated, minus .NET Framework 4.x, as I'd read that it can cause WSUS to fail to install.
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So, this WSUS update system can be set up, perhaps as a VM on a server or other primary system, properly connect to and download updates from the WU servers, and then "feed" those updates to any appropriately configured 2000, XP and Vista machines?
I'll have to give it a try! Is it free?
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Has anyone tried running Vista's explorer.exe in 7? That might reintroduce the classic start menu in a way that could work somewhat natively on 7 (not third-party, like ClassicShell).
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39 minutes ago, FantasyAcquiesce said:
I'm annoyed how much Microsoft has bloated Office 365 and Visual Studio. Both have become stupidly slow for simple tasks on a i5 haswell PC from 2015.
I have to agree with this!
A few years ago, I needed to install Visual Studio for a class I was taking, and since my daily driver laptop was (and still is) a 2012 MacBook Pro (Ivy Bridge i7-based), I figured I'd install it to a VM for convenience. Well, that was a mistake, as it took over three hours to install, and it was so slow it was worthless.
So instead, I used an older version of Visual Studio on my Dell Latitude D630 running Windows 2000 or XP (or maybe it was Notepad++ with a standalone compiler?); the instructor kept looking at me funny for doing this, as he was a big fan of Windows 10, and was of the mindset that all other versions must be immediately and completely forgotten, so almost to spite him (and prove that just because it's old doesn't mean it won't work), I kept using my then 12 year old laptop with a then 17 year old OS
I mean, if it does the job and lets me do the assignments properly, what's the problem?
I'll probably never use XP as my daily driver OS full time, since there's software I like to use which requires at least Windows 7, but that doesn't mean I won't use it for casual web browsing and other things that don't require new software, particularly on hardware which can't run any newer Windows versions very well.
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If I may play devil's advocate for a moment: out of fairness to Windows 10, it has gotten a bit better than the RTM release.
And I'd also like to point out that XP wasn't always the "gleaming pinnacle of perfection" that many see it as nowadays; In fact, back in 2003-2004, I recall it was actively despised, and often criticized as being slower than the versions it replaced, namely 2000 and 98 SE (which was still pretty much 100% usable back then). It did improve with time, however, and once SP2 came out and multi core PCs became more commonplace, XP matured quite nicely. It would be nice if 10 would follow the same progression and actually become a mature, decent product, but so far, it hasn't....
Be that as it may, even after almost six years, I still don't like 10, and I won't use it (I actually did try for awhile, but it broke on me, and rather than going through the effort to reinstall, I decided to wipe it and install Linux in its place). Fortunately, because my primary is Mac OS, I don't really have a need for everything to work 100% on any older Windows, thus having the luxury to tinker with and hack up any Windows of my choosing ad infinitum
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I use Vista in a VM, so the host hardware doesn't matter so much (it runs fine on my i5-6700K this way).
If I want to use it on real hardware, I have a 2.8 GHz P4 and a Dell Latitude D630 I can install it on, as well as numerous other machines.
If there were an easy way to patch it so it runs trouble-free on newer hardware, that would be neat, if only so I can do it "because I can".
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5 hours ago, tomasz86 said:
If you want to just gather information, then look up old MSDN resources. Microsoft used to distribute the official ISOs through it, of course for subscribers only. Each ISO had a filename, and a checksum. Although when it comes to non-English versions of Windows 2000, it may actually be impossible to find any more concrete content anymore.
Unless, of course, you can track down a physical copy.
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On 12/26/2020 at 10:09 AM, winvispixp said:
you're almost 14 years late my friend
Better late than never, I suppose!
Nevertheless, given all the renewed interest in Vista due to the new extended kernel project, this could be potentially useful for installing it on newer PCs wherein the stock Vista installer won't function correctly (there is of course no reason to use FAT32 on a boot volume anymore, but whatever).
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@Jaguarek62 That's an *extremely* clever desktop!
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22 hours ago, AeroSeeker said:
Any particular reason why besides aesthetics?
Well, not really, I guess. I just like the layout and aesthetics better.
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On 12/12/2020 at 10:06 AM, AeroSeeker said:
The REALLY old Explorer interface you mean?
Yes!
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I found that Windows Update with the patch broke at one point (I'm not sure why, but it happened after I tried switching the patch from stock Vista to Server 2008, so that might've had something to do with it), and I had to remove the patch, reboot, reinstall the patch, and reboot again before I could get it to work again.
So, maybe try that?
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Extreme Explorer 360 Chromium 78-86 General Discussion
in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
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I use XP primarily as a VM on my Macs for specific uses where anything newer won't work, and to be able to use it on hardware it won't otherwise run on. I also have numerous real machines to run it on if I want a more authentic experience.
That said, I'm not giving up on it any time soon!
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