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Amazing Crap Continued: The Dell laptop updated to 16193 with "No WIFI" again. However, used the same procedure again that brought WIFI back to 16188. And WIFI was back and connected to the normal internet provider. The puzzle pieces are becoming clearer. No driver software was changed. No line commands were used. No changes were made with Regedit. It appears that some parameter, app or OS software is running after the update that stops the normal network adapter scans from working. When the interfering software is stopped, then normal Win 10 network adapter scanning software finds the available network adapters and the connection functions properly. Stay tuned to more exciting adventures with Joe B. on "The Crap Express."

More Amazing Crap: The Dell laptop now has the WIFI connection and is running the 16188 Win 10. What led up to this amazing magic? Disabled all network adapters in Device Manager. Turned off every app option including those running in background and privacy options in Settings. Restarted PC. When it came back up enabled on WIFI adapter and tried to connect. The available networks showed up and the normal connection worked! "Smoke and Mirrors" comes to mind.

New crap, old crap, no Amazing Crap: Dell laptop is at 16188 now. Four options for an Internet connection, 1 wired and 3 wireless. However, Windows 10, 16188, can't find any of them! It is Stable now, nothing goes out and nothing comes in. It does power up and power down! It is a dual boot PC and the Win 7 Pro can use any one of the four options for the Internet connection. And the Win 7 is more Stable than the Win 10 even when it goes out into the wide world of computing. Crap or crapless, that is the option. Oh, by the way, the MacBook runs Windows 10, 16188, with no apparent issues. The Apple just seems to work even if it runs Win 10! I wonder what computers are the developers using to create and test Win 10? I keep hearing that they think the product runs quite well. I see which computer that it runs on here.

Amazing Crap today: The Dell laptop updated from 15025 to 15063 but the WIFI was gone. That's been the recent scenario of the Win 10 saga. So I thought that I'd try plugging an ethernet cable into the network router. Yup, no connection there either. So just for grins, tried a couple of netsh interface ipv4 commands, install and reset. No apparent change so did a shutdown and power on. Now comes the amazing part: The WIFI magically was back and working normal?!!!!!!! The laptop in on the way to updating to 16188. Go figure?!

Persistence: Along the crap road. The Dell laptop is now on a newer Windows 10, 1607, 15025. At least the software is a year newer. And 15025 sees both of the WIFI adapters on the computer. My question is, "What W10 software is missing when the windows update moves beyond 15025 that causes the WIFI adapters to be lost?" The adapters are still in the Device Manager display. However, the WIFI Network parameter is missing in Settings. So, no Internet connection when windows update goes into action although the WIFI adapter is used to do the update. I suppose that a manager could have decided to take those adapters off of the "Qualified" list. Sort of crappy if that is the case.

If the Windows 10 OS can't find the wired or wireless adapters to access the Internet, is there any value in it? Those same wired and wireless adapters using Windows 7 have no problem getting to the Internet. I wonder if it is necessary to buy a new computer to get to the Internet with Win 10? Just talking crap.

The crap gets better and better. "Never give up." Went back to Win 7 Pro on the Dell laptop and then used Media Creation Tool to download Win 10 Pro. What came down was 1511, 10586.873 Windows 10 Pro (Just a couple years old). And the W10 was digitally activated! And better yet, the key is the same key that wouldn't activate Win 10 before?! This was an interesting challenge. And NO, Windows 10 is not a home production computer here. It's just a jigsaw puzzle with a few missing pieces.

Gotcha crap: Windows 10 Update wiped out the Dell laptop insider W10 software. OK, so just did a clean install to get back in the game. However, the digital activation was lost in the process. So had to have a WIFI connection to activate the Windows 10. That was the other problem with the W10 update. The WIFI that was used for the update disappeared once the update was complete. I think it's called "Catch 22." Or I could spend $199 to buy a new Key for W10. This gets better and better! And the MacBook did the same W10 update without any problems.

Back to the crap: The Dell laptop was updated to 16170 but the old application software issue of Win 10 showed up again, NO WIFI. The fix used in 15063 did not work for 16170. Used up my patience with MS for this Dell, Intel application software wipe out. Restored the Dell laptop to 15063.14 and magically the WIFI worked just fine. Removed the Dell laptop from the insider Fast Track. The MacBook will remain the insider Fast Track computer. For now, the MacBook is still the tamer of the Beast.

And the crap rolls on. 16170 is running on the MacBook. This appears to be a fertilizer release.

Ditto!

Crap, good or not good, your choice. Both the MacBook and the Dell laptop installed the Cumulative Updates of 15063.13 and 15063.14 with no problems. Time will tell if the April RTM Windows 10 will be stable and usable by the current installed user base. Many current users have already been updated to 15063.13 whether they want it or not. That is the real crap. Windows 7 Pro and Apple OS X are looking better all the time.

After thought: Over a year ago when I started Windows 10 Insider Preview, was using a Dell quad i7 Tower, Raid software for two 500 GB SATA drives. Had W7, Insider W10, Oracle ViMware with 3 operating systems available. All the operating systems should have been in independent space, partitions. Along came a Windows 10, Windows Update. That update destroyed all of the operating systems that were installed. Could not get any operating system to boot including the W10 that did the damage. That was my first experience with the power of W10 Windows Update. (Bull in the China Shop) My solution was to do a Windows 7 Pro clean installation that deleted all the partitions and no Windows 10 Insider Preview software anywhere close. That PC has run error free ever since. That incident also gave me the idea of running the W10 preview in Boot Camp on the MacBook. The Apple Host software controls the Beast! There probably are no coincidences, just poor coding with respect to software. The Bull seems to step on application software whether it's MS or third party. Lately, a lot of testers seem to think the driver for a device that doesn't work is the problem when the supporting application software is where the real problem is located. Changing the driver doesn't restore the device. However, reinstalling the device application software more often fixes the "stepped on" software and the device works again. And my Dell laptop made the W10 15063.0 to 15063.11 transition cleanly (SATA drive). Wonders amaze me every day (Amazing crap). An old farm boy's perspective on life.

In another forum (MS Insider), a Russian (In the Russian language) entry indicated that a PC at 14393.969 (released Win 10) got the CU and brought the Win 10 up to 15063.11. That is some interesting crap. I wonder if this is an alternate fact? There seems to be a lot of that in the US these days.

Condolences for your loss. Here we go again, the MacBook with the SSD did the Cumulative Update, 15063.0 to 15063.11, in less than 5 minutes from Restart to login and ready to use. The download had been done in the background so I don't know how long that took. Microsoft, getting ready for Ready To Market the 2017 Windows 10 Pro is starting to turn the crap into fertilizer. Just saw "Beauty and the Beast" so my head is still in the "Magic Kingdom."

I wonder if Microsoft is using their own Windows 10 software? Maybe the Windows 10 Update did the update and that caused the outage? Other end users have sited similar outages during their prime production times? "What goes around, comes around!"

We have a 40 Gbit link to our modem/router. Three things to consider about the apparent download speed. (1) It appears the the FSB speed of the motherboard becomes a factor in driving the download speed. The MacBook FSB speed is greater than the Dell laptop. That along with the SSD data transfer speed versus the HDD data transfer speed, the SSD transfers data faster than the HDD. (2) The distance to the download server makes a big difference as well. Here in Arizona, downloads are faster from the west coast than from the east coast. (3) I select a single download path in the Windows Settings, too. But in either west coast or east coast case, the single path setting is much faster. A single path Windows Update download is usually 30 minutes. The multipath downloads have taken several hours to a couple of days! That's why I only do single path downloads now. After thought: WIFI is faster than Ethernet so I use only WIFI now.

This embedded Intel WIFI adapter has the normal driver that was working. I was surprised to find that Intel also had that software that was needed to interface with the Windows software as if it was an app. Now, I'm not so sure that all devices don't have some OS interface software to go with the driver (junkware or crapware or neededware)? Whateverware it is, if it's not there, the device doesn't work. More questions to think about.

The Dell laptop (HDD) has been taking about 2-4 hours. The MacBook (SSD) has been taking 1-3 hours. Both computers are about 10 years old. A few times the update is sitting at the Restart with the download complete when I went to check for updates. Windows 10 apparently starts checking for updates before I even log on while it's sitting at the logon screen.

New app crap: The Dell laptop is now running on 15063. The No WIFI issue has a solution. It appears that the Intel WIFI adapter software was wiped out during the Windows Update. After downloading two sets of Intel adapter software on another computer, transferred that software to the Dell laptop. When the second Intel software install file ran, the WIFI was back. The Dell laptop gets to stay at 15063 now. This solution was a long time coming. I'll be on the lookout for missing app software in the future.

Fast crap now. 15055 to 15060, 15061 and now 15063. I even missed 15060 completely by taking a short vacation. Again, the MacBook updated with no errors. And the Dell laptop had the same NO WIFI or Ethernet connection after the update. Still trying to figure out why WLANSVC won't start on the Dell laptop. Error message says that some dependencies didn't start. So I've made a list of the dependencies when 15025 is running so I can compare what's missing after the update. Might shed some light on the W10 software. Device manager says that the WIFI adapter driver is fine and the device is running correctly. Should be, it was just used to do the Windows Update.

2017 Crap Update: Version 1703 has shown up in 15055. Yes the MacBook updated with no problems to the Windows 10 Pro, 15055. The Dell laptop is still churning through the update process a second time after the first try ended with an error message.

Consider this link to an information gathering technique: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/6/1640496/-We-Are-On-An-Information-War-Battlefield-And-Most-Of-Us-Don-t-Even-Know-It If there are information gathering techniques that can be used to profile a person's decision making, might W10 programs use such techniques in software releases? Or marketing campaigns? If this post is too much for this topic, please delete it.

Yes.

Interesting thought. My internet link is CenturyLink. I'm just wondering how the sun selectively disrupts Dell computers and not Apple computers connected to the same internet link?