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Fertilizer report on the crap: Sad or glad report? The 64 bit Dell laptop updated to 17025 with no problem. Only took about four and a half hours to complete. Four out of four browsers have Ghostery extension installed. Edge came through the update with Ghostery still installed and working. Also, it's a cold day down here in the desert early in the morning---What was that about "A cold Day In Hell?" Computer life does seem to be amazing. Even the Apple iMac doesn't seem to mind providing this entry.

It's hard to believe this crap. Seven clean updates of Win 10 Pro Insider Fast Track in a row for the 64 bit Dell. At 17017 Build now.

Thank you. Perhaps I'm used to the Apple restrictions. But when compared to Win 10 restrictions, it feels like Apple is an open garden. I much prefer to be able to open and close the garden door myself. I feel that we are of a common mind with computers. Again, thanks.

So what are the legal implications of the Dutch Data Protection Authority investigation? Microsoft has danced the "legal tango" before in Europe.

Trying to understand? Walled garden? Emulate Apple? Not doing a good job at emulation. Windows 10 would be so lucky to be as stable and easy to use as OS X, or iPhones, ETC with iOS. Sorry, my preferences are showing. Winter is coming to Arizona deserts, 60 degrees this morning. But 94 degrees now, it's OK again.

Is this Win 10 released software or Insider Preview software? Just wondering. I've lost track of the released Win 10. Ditto on the crap. Bud

New crap to think about: 16299.15, 1709. This may be close to the "Fall" Windows 10 Release. However, not having purchased Win 10 ever, how is the Fall release marketed? Can Win 10 Pro be bought on DVD in a store or is it only available on USB thumb drive? Only available from from Windows Store? Or only available by buying a computer that has it installed? Can the product even be bought in a free standing form? Does it really cost a couple of hundred dollars? Will it only install on selected computers????? Or maybe it's time to leave the Win 10 test computers in secure mode. Only interested in having the Fall released Win 10 Pro product installed on one of the current test computers to compare against future Insider Preview Releases on the remaining test computers. Might dual boot it with the Windows 7 Pro, Dell Latitude. Also, want to be able to re-install it when it quits working and make sure that the key is known. (6 clean updates on each of 3 test computers have peaked my interest.) It may just be a waste of money? [The Arizona summer sun may have overheated the thinking system?!]

This is an impressive computer system. With these resources you could have a dual boot system with Win 7 or Vista maybe and then have options. Your choice for the day. One of my W10 insider systems is a dual boot, Windows 7 Pro and Win 10 Pro preview test, so I can pick Win 7 when I need a reality check. Choices are good. Good for comparison and control.

You are partially correct concerning useful activities with Windows 10. My expectations are very low with this product from my experiences over the past 2 years. Consider the fact that I'm excited that the product, W10, actually starts up to a working desktop! And it actually shuts down! Ghostery was not removed from the browsers during the update! Mail actually gets mail! Now consider a lot of end users that buy a computer at Costco that comes with Win 10 installed. If it get email, it's working. This Fall release may actually get email and browse the Web, start up and power down, all without black screening , hanging or crashing. The conclusion is buy an Apple if you want a computer with talent.

Some new crap to think about. What does it mean when all three Windows 10 Pro test computers have updated cleanly for the last four insider preview releases?

Windows Update should not start even if a user is not logged on. Update should be controlled by a user. User control/security of computer is asserted by power down of computer. It seems the only way to stop invasive software. But then, if it is powered down, why do you need it? Just a dedicated test computer for Win 10.

Perhaps, it's the other way around. The heat may be melting the frozen parts of the world. Some call it climate change but in this part of the world we're feeling a lot of heat. Now some more heat with the last three insider preview W10 releases that are getting close to an RTM product, all three test computers updated cleanly and the software that does emails and browsers seems to be working. Ghostery actually downloaded free from the Store and installed on Edge. However, all the information collecting and then some is still there. At a school near here, I saw that Win 10 was installed on a school computer. I felt sorry for the students and teachers that will be exposed to the challenge. But I guess that is what to expect in a state that is rated 50th out of 50 in education. (Part of that "heat" problem.) On the plus side, I'm hearing that more and more students are required to have an iPad when they enroll in the schools. Just like politics, when there is a serious issue, a positive solution slides in that bypasses the problem. 2018 is getting closer all the time. The iPads are already here in 2017. Trying to find the good in all this crap. It may be the iPad in schools that does in the big MS. The other crap will play out in 2018. That's a lot of unexpected heat.

Yes, you've identified an interesting dilemma. Living in a community that is an age restricted 55 and older area adjacent to Phoenix, AZ. Sun City is an area around 3 miles by 7 miles in size and is not incorporated as a city by preference. Many of the residents are very sharp mentally and use computers easily. However, Windows 10 installed on a PC has many turning to the local Apple Store to buy compatible products. I have been able to get some of the Windows 10 users oriented to be able to use their Win 10 PC. Also, suggested that their Win 10 PC can be turned into a Friendly Windows 7 Pro computer. My Dell Latitude E5410 is only allowed to run Win 7 Pro and it is "Senior" friendly, thank you. The 64 bit Win 10 test computer is a dual boot with Win 7 Pro. Otherwise, Linux Mint has been very friendly as well although a bit more challenging than Apple OS X. Yes, in full agreement, "Bit of a dilemma....;)". Saved up for 2 years to get the iPhone 7 Plus which is fully compatible with the big iMac. Life is good and it was cool enough to sit outside to read this morning.

Alert! There's a new W10 preview insider crap agreement. To paraphrase, some of the crap may have worms in it. (So, what else is new?) Some crap may make you sick, unless you are a crow. If you do get sick, the maximum benefit from arbitration is $5.00. Acceptance of the new agreement is 'do the update' which by the way starts when power is on the computer. (An amazing business model!) Reality check: Three test computers made the update to 16288. 1. MacBook was first with no problems and minimal time expended. 2. 64 bit Dell was second with no problems but took several hours to complete. 3. 32 bit Dell was last but required great perseverance. First try failed and didn't restore to 16251. Required an iso clean install to wipe the hard drive and get a clean 16251. (About 12 hours to complete that part.) The Dell then updated to 16278 with no problems. However, the final update failed on the first try but made it on the second try to get to 16288. (About 24 hours to complete that part, just really slow.) Anyway, once the computers got to 16288, they seemed to run OK. (End of current crap experience.) Still hot but dry here. (Note: All test computers are in secure mode now, powered off.)

Windows 10 Insider 16257 IE 11 had the Edge tab back. Just used the above procedure to remove that Edge tab. Another thanks.

This crap is a moving target. Well, as expected the Apple MacBook, on the second try, updated from Win 10 (32 bit) Insider 16251 to 16257.1. However, the Mail icon was gone. Used outlook.com to get to emails. After the next restart, the Mail icon was back? Now you see the crap, now you don't. The Dell laptop is 3 hours into the second try to update from Win 10 (64 bit) Insider 16251 to 16257.1. Reminds me being back on the farm shoveling the crap. (Childhood memories) (No computers, just crap) (Well, now it's crap and computers) ****************** The Dell laptop is on Win 10 Pro (64 bit) Insider 16257.1 after 4 hours and a little bit. The little bit was for believing that the update made it. So far the Win 10 at least starts up and shuts down. Very important features for a computer.

Back to the old Win 10 crap. Win 10 Update was in to process of going from 16251 to 16257 which was running several hours. Win 10 Update managed to update from 16251 to 16251. Perhaps this is the new circular Update?

Great question. Great answer.

Three out of three computers updated to 16251 Pre-release Win 10. Took awhile but they all made it. Had to learn how to get into Safe mode to fix some old crap application software for one old Dell laptop. All computers are running OK. Don't know what to think of this crap? They did all take several hours to make the transition. Malwarebytes found no malware. Ghostery stopped a lot of tracking, etc. All three computers are now in safe security mode, powered off.

Some of the small people have a computer skill set greater than the Lord of the Castle. This was a tablet laptop and the display was rotated 180 degrees. The Lord did not know that was possible. A short seminar was required for the Lord. Perhaps it was an "Oh-Oh" moment for the small ones as well like "What did we do?" and "How do we fix this." and "I hope they don't find this before we go home." I have the occasional impulse to see what happens when a different key is pushed. Sometimes it's a learning experience and sometimes it's "Oh C***." This time it appears to be a "No harm, no fault" moment. The Deep Impression moment was that the password was reset. That was the learning experience for me. Didn't know that could be done on a none server connected computer.

Grandchildren and nieces and nephews of a young age. Other details are not known. Pure speculation may be required.

A Win 10 feature that was new to me: A Win 10 neighbor had small visiting relatives and when they went home the Win 10 laptop could not be logged onto with the normal password. If one is logged onto Win 10 with a Microsoft password then a server password reset feature is available. Working at a university this feature was used quite a lot for users who logged onto the server. By using the Win 10 online password reset, using Safari on the iPhone, the laptop password was reset and the neighbor was very happy with Microsoft. The appropriate security procedure worked to verify that the password reset was actually requested by the laptop owner. Had not thought about logging on to a Win 10 system with an online Microsoft logon was like logging onto a university server computer. To me, this made a "Deeper Impression."

A good day for crap: 2 out of 2 computers updated to 16241 on their first try. OK, several hours to complete this task is a little long. OK, one computer looked like it was searching for an available source to download the update before the download actually started. OK, why does the CPU run close to 100% before the update seems to really start. OK, I'm impressed that the update software can drive the storage device at close to 100% thru-put for long periods of time. Seems like a lot of activity just to accomplish the update? OK, the restart takes a long time, too. Other than a few "OKs", Win10, 16241 is running "OK." Arizona, a lot of rain actually made it to the ground. OK!

Except in Phoenix, AZ with the "Heat Dome" that suspends the "where" and the "why for" with "certainty" as we all know,,,,, Who knew that water could fall out of the sky? Except here it looks like the water is falling but then it isn't! This "flux" thing is difficult to understand. Probably an OS (Outer Space) thing.

Some good crap: The Dual Boot PC, Win 7/Win10 Dell, is now updated to Win10, 16237. Did an iso clean boot to an old release, 15063, and wiped the Win10 HDD as part of the process. (Each OS has its own HDD) Had used BCDEDIT to verify the dual boot controls which got changed to reflect the new Win10 information. Today's load of crap is fertilizer. Monsoon Arizona: Water falling from the sky, now that's a change! Still don't understand why the update runs the CPU at close to 100% at some periods and the HDD at close to 100% at other periods? Or why it takes several hours to complete? It's probably just a computer thing.