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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Sorry, my rant was a bit overreacting yesterday, my opinion is more mixed on multi-process specifically. I mean in theory, it could overall be lighter on resources due to absence of overhead for interprocess communication, no allocations inherent to spawning new processes ect. But all single-process browsers (referring to old school Mozilla browsers...what else is out there anyway?) that are kinda usable today (if you don't visit too complex websites) all get crapped up, resources aren't freed, it just gets slower and more RAM hungry until you close and restart the browser, worst case scenario in my experience is getting stuck in a permanent loop when it 100% CPU core and you can't interact with the browser at all. While multi-process browser just terminates the process and BAM, resources associated with the tab are freed instantly. And this old school Mozilla code seems to have a funny quirk that resource consumption will actually spike up when you close tabs, so if you're reaching the limit if you're on a 32-bit browser, that'll be the final nail in the coffin.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
My hunch is that typical MSFNer is just angry that he can't run today's browsers/web pages well on his old 2001 (or worse!) computer.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
And certain folks using roytam1's releases could say: "What do you mean "obsolete browser"!? I just updated it last Saturday!"- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
The code be everywhere these days, eg. did anyone see what kind of headphones they sell these days? Gone are the days when headphones were a pair of dumb speakers you put on your head. Now they have Bluetooth, built-in equalizers, smartphone app to control them, Google Assistant etc. and apparently they may even get software updates. Or a car battery charger that is configurable via app. Have they invented a smart toilet yet?- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Aye, guess that's what you get with more premium forum software. At least Invision strikes me as more premium. On the other hand, are spoiler tags a thing here? Did it work? Ha, I don't remember this working in the past. Must have been a good update. Or my memory playing tricks again. Either way, I'm done complaining for today. Honestly, I'm too good at complaining while I suck pretty much everywhere else...oh well...- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@VistaLover Google is heavily entrenched into all pours (or whatever is the right term) of digital life, something radical would have to happen for that to turn around. It goes beyond the web and smart phones. My new car has portions of Google's software on-board, but besides few bells and whistles, it's as manual as one could get in 2022.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Chrome was multi-process way before anyone knew about those exploits. Maybe multi-process is not the main issue, hard to tell, each camp will defend their own. But megabytes of JavaScript for relatively simple tasks, c'mon... Edit: Look at this, IE8 is multi-process? I only launched IE8 accidentally few times in recent years on XP, but wasn't checking Process Hacker. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/628744/chrome-ie8-multi-process-design-is-it-possible-in-net- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
IE11 is multi-process and slow (for those that apparently never used it). At least in JavaScript. Multi-process is a hoax IMO, another bad Googleism. Sorry, nobody will convince me I need this multi-process nonsense to display a bunch of images, text, dynamic elements, voice-chat etc. while a competent (single-process!) game engine will proces inputs of dozens of players, render the world in player's sight while animating all natural occurrences (river flowing, trees rustling), dynamic shadow casting, sun flares...while players are shooting each other on foot, in tanks, jeeps, airplanes, explosions going off, buildings being torn apart... All at buttery-smooth frame-rate. Surely network conditions are always less than ideal with latencies considerably higher than the time it will take the engine to run through the game loop to produce a single frame, but that's AFAIK compensated by client-side interpolation and action prediction. Why do I need multi-process Skype/Teams and other such poop again? Web has become such an ugly monstrosity that I think people responsible deserve nothing less than being packed in a rocket with the course set straight to the Sun.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I don't benchmark browsers, I benchmark websites and the benchmark tool is Pale Moon. If it works horrible there (hanging, long delays between actions etc.), then the site is considered crap. And even those a bit less than totally crappy still need a gaming PC for the experience on them to be a bit less than totally horrible.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@NotHereToPlayGames Sure, it's never all linear. Things vary by hardware, different forks of browsers (and software in general) using different APIs for the same thing, one API being faster/slower under different circumstances. One thing improves, another regresses etc. Software gets more complex with time, humans make mistakes, there's never enough time to make everything perfect. And the hardware is cheap while human labor is not.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
UCyborg replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Because those browsers and the OS they were developed for, they all matched perfectly. Modern Chrome was never meant to run on XP and shitload of compromises are made for them to run on it. That's what all these backports really are, a bunch of compromises, inefficiencies and half-baked or non-working features.- 2,340 replies
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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I saw this when I tried 360Chrome. No need to be logged in. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You didn't read recent discussion of the issues on that site thoroughly. The New CSS Reset stylesheet alone is enough to disqualify old 360Chrome 13.5 (:where pseudo-selector). And missing product images and other mess on the laptops' page. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Works, at least GPU-Z confirms video engine load on XP. Any idea if this is the latest Flash-based JWPlayer? Might be a perspective thing. Did those tasks involve using Windows Server specific features? -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Looks like 360Chrome 13.5 doesn't display mediamarkt.de properly either. It displays in Edge 94 (the oldest "modern" browser at my disposal). They are not needed anymore after RegExp updates. Man, these people are nuts. A new (smart) TV was bought couple of weeks back and its web browser (Chromium 85) is obsolete straight out of the shop. Secondary function, but still, these lyrics come to mind: My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks But it was obsolete before I opened the box You say you've had your desktop for over a week Throw that junk away, man, it's an antique Your laptop is a month old, well that's great If you could use a nice, heavy paper weight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos Released in 1999 xD -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Does "Use another browser" count? Just for the contrast how broken it is and that the "New CSS Reset" is actually the smallest problem... -
/fw parameter description on Win10: Combine with a shutdown option to cause the next boot to go to the firmware user interface. But if you do it from the GUI, it does say UEFI: Source: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5831-boot-uefi-firmware-settings-inside-windows-10-a.html
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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Well I crossed the red light few days back as the pedestrian when no car was around. BTW, did you notice how sometimes people on this forum talk casually of using server operating systems for normal everyday tasks like it's nothing? -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I wanted to test Flash capabilities specifically. Something that uses StageVideo. -
I'm pretty sure /fw parameter applies only to Windows 8+ installed in UEFI mode, not legacy BIOS mode. If it was possible on BIOS, I'm sure we would have known about it since the days of DOS.
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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
UCyborg replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I wonder if WebGL was ever as performant as intended on XP. I know there's an old KM-Goanna build from 2020 that is faster when OpenGL is also used for layer compositing (layers.prefer-opengl = true), but what about when D3D9 is used for layer compositing - did that ever work? I pretty much dumped XP when Windows 7 was in beta, so don't really have experience how Firefox felt in that regard on XP. Though even back then, XP seemed like a rusty OS and an upgrade was inevitable if one wanted s*** to "just work". Although it was pioneered by Mozilla, it seems Chromium developers brought it up to speed. I found out the Russians have put Counter Strike 1.6 in the web browser, originally a GoldSrc engine based game from the late nineties, a Half-Life mod, this runs on reverse-engineered re-implementation GoldSrc called Xash3D, also of Russian origin. Maybe the engine is clean, although the dependency on Half-Life SDK certainly makes it not and putting a whole Counter-Strike on the web, which was never released as libre software...well, since when did the Russians care about legality? And honestly, how many of you consistently remained consistent 100% law-abiding citizens? https://play-cs.com/ Chromium-based browser is needed for smooth performance. Still works great on Edge 94 from 2021 on Windows 10. BTW, the old WebGL aquarium, 30 FPS in ChrEdge with 15000 fish here, 8 FPS on Pale Moon, who wants to guess how much would UXP browser on XP would get? I haven't tried or if I did, I must have forgotten by now. Would it be FPS or more like seconds per frame? Divide 1000 by FPS to get frame-time in milliseconds and the differences are radical. I guess Flash Player remains the only performant option on XP as far as games in the web browser go, although this obviously delegates all the work to the plugin, so browser doesn't have to do much anyway. Speaking of Flash, I heard Flash Player can actually decode videos (h.264) on GPU on XP. Is there any Flash-based video player online, at least as a test, that would put it to use? AFAIK, it must use specific API as there are two ways, and the other one is not accelerated. I forgot the names though...