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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Just a reminder! There is already a thread about legacy extensions with the title "Extensions and custom buttons for UXP browsers - Corrections, modifications, adjustments, and special recommendations": Cheers, AstroSkipper -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@roytam1! MailNews is a great email client and works perfectly with all of my email providers. It is exactly what I need to manage my email accounts under Windows XP. And the fact that it is based on Thunderbird 52 is even better. Thunderbird is very well documented and supports my beloved, legacy extensions, and additionally complete themes, dictionaries, search engines and so on. Thanks a lot for that! -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
Actually, I wanted to test the email client OE Classic, but ads in outgoing messages and the limit of only two accounts in their free version are a no-go. That's why I tested IceDove, but unfortunately, it doesn't support OAuth2 or authentication by app password which means no access to Gmail by this email client. That is a pity and therefore not an option for me. But another candidate has long since appeared on the horizon that meets and even exceeds all my requirements. And that is @roytam1's email client MailNews, which is ultimately based on Thunderbird 52. This email client has a real, working Oauth2 protocol that makes accessing Gmail easy. For me, simply perfect and the best choice for Windows XP at the moment.. More about that in the next days! Cheers, AstroSkipper -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
I installed the last XP-compatible version of eM Client (eM Client Pro 7.2.35595.0) on my system in 2019. It's a fully licensed version. I think it won't work properly with Gmail due to its age, but I didn't try it. It needs ProxHTTPSProxy to look for updates (using IE engine!). No good! Simply too old! The current release of eM Client is 9.2.1577.0 and of course not compatible with Windows XP. For more recent OSs, it is supposed to be a good email client, though. PS: I tested eM Client Pro 7.2.35595.0, it no longer works properly in Windows XP, not even with the simple email service WEB.DE. Uninstalled. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
To force the installer of DreamMail Pro 6.6.5.9 to use English instead of Chinese as the installer language, I created a small loader that does this when it calls up the setup program. It must be executed in the same directory in which the setup file is located with its original file name dmpro_setup6.6.5.9.exe. Here is the download link of my loader: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4bh4pybunlmr5hq/ForceEnInstall.7z/file Although some virus scanners detect this file as malicious, it is just a false-positive as always. Use my loader to force an English install, only if you trust me, of course! Cheers, AstroSkipper I installed DreamMail Pro with my self-created loader to force an installation in English (default is Chinese) which worked fine. I tested DreamMail Pro wth two email services, WEB.DE and Gmail. The configuration of WEB.DE was easy and works as expected. The configuration of Gmail was a bit tricky. DreamMail Pro can only work with Gmail if the two factor authentication has been enabled in its account settings to get and use an app password. DreamMail Pro doesn't seem to provide a real Oauth2 protocol as MailNews does. But it works with Gmail, too. The documentation is only available in Chinese (for non-Chinese people not easy, you need Google Translator). The automatical creation of message folders and their handling by DreamMail Pro has definitely to be improved in the next releases. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
After my intensive research so far, I have come to the conclusion that the convenient use of Microsoft 365 necessarily entails newer operating systems like Windows 10+ and up-to-date email clients. Strictly according to the motto: Saying A means also saying B (translated German saying ). There are still other solutions like Mail Servers or externally adding protocols to email clients, but this is rather fiddling and beyond comfortable. Fortunately, I do not use the email service Microsoft 365, so my email services including Gmail work under Windows XP with existent, XP-compatible email clients. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
After reading the last comments here, I rather think we have to be grateful for every developer who still supports Windows XP nowadays. So I'm glad that programs like Pegasus Mail, DreamMail Pro and MailNews exist at all and are free of charge. They are of course not comparable to the email clients available for Windows 7+, but they work. The current release Pegasus Mail 4.80 from 14.02.2022 is still XP-compatible and quite up-to-date. The beta 4.81 is unfortunately not XP-compatible anymore. I extracted the installer and did a manual install as suggested by Dutch support, but unfortunately without success. The main program winpm-32.exe is the culprit and no longer XP-compatible. I am still in contact with the support and hope that maybe this will be fixed in one of the next releases. As we all know, hope dies last. Cheers, AstroSkipper -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Thanks! That's a real service. I appreciate it! -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I consider myself more of a generalist. My subjects of study were mathematics, biology and Latin. So I am on both sides of the force. Linguistic skills are particularly useful in the natural sciences to gain clarity and to adequately formulate insights gained. In any case, I am very concerned about the impoverishment of the German language, especially among our youth, which is also caused, among other things, by the constant use of Anglicisms. And I have deliberately not abbreviated "by the way" this time to make a small point. But as I already said, we are moving too far away from the topic here and are unfortunately off-topic. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
To force the installer of DreamMail Pro 6.6.5.9 to use English instead of Chinese as the installer language, I created a small loader that does this when it calls up the setup program. It must be executed in the same directory in which the setup file is located with its original file name dmpro_setup6.6.5.9.exe. Here is the download link of my loader: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4bh4pybunlmr5hq/ForceEnInstall.7z/file Although some virus scanners detect this file as malicious, it is just a false-positive as always. Use my loader to force an English install, only if you trust me, of course! Cheers, AstroSkipper -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
As I already said, fully functioning email clients under Windows XP are rare and not easy to find. Nevertheless, I have found another candidate whose latest version is supposed to be XP-compatible according to the homepage and many other sites. This is the email client DreamMail Pro. It is available in the latest version 6.6.5.9 from 05.01.2023. The program comes from a Chinese manufacturer and is of course available in English and some other languages. It is free of charge and actually being further developed. In China, Windows XP is still appreciated, as we know. I did a short test. It installs successfully under Windows XP and runs there properly as far as I can see in a few seconds of testing. Rather unpleasant is the installer, which strangely can only be opened in Chinese. Here is the link to DreamMail's homepage: https://www.cy-email.com/ and its installer: https://dl.cy-email.com/dm6/Download/dmpro_setup6.6.5.9.exe Greetings from Germany, AstroSkipper -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Unfortunately, I have to vehemently disagree, especially from a linguistic point of view. Latin and Greek are languages on which German is inherently based, for almost 2000 years. Anglicisms in German, especially coming from America, are rather artificial, less than 100 years. This cannot be compared in the way you have done. However, further explanations would go beyond the scope here and are off-topic. And by the way, I have studied Latin. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
The installer of Pegasus Mail 4.81 beta doesn't work properly under Windows XP, indeed and unfortunately. I reported it to the technical support of Pegasus via email. I'm curious to see if anyone gets back to me and if it's of any use. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
The current version, Pegasus Mail 4.80, is XP-compatible. I could successfully install it on my real Windows XP computer, and it runs as expected. At next, I will try the beta version 4.81. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
Here is the download link of Pegasus Mail 4.51: https://download-us.pmail.com/w32-451.exe Cheers, AstroSkipper PS: Didn't see that the link was already posted. BTW, many old files are on their server which are not listed anymore on their download site. Trial and error is the way! -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You're right! The PM forum is a great source for research. I look up there very often to find solutions for new or old problems when they befall me. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
At school, we (my generation) learnt to avoid any abbreviation. When we did it anyway, it eventually led to bad grades. It was even so extreme that not even the German abbreviation u.s.w. or etc. was allowed. So much for "frowned upon" versus "uncommon"! Just a little tale from my life! Furthermore, this is probably also a generational problem. The younger people, especially the youth, are linguistically contaminated by Anglicisms and many of them no longer really know the written German language, which inevitably leads to the increased use of abbreviations. -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
I didn't try the recent version of Pegasus Mail but it is listed as XP-compatible on their homepage. If it really can't be installed, then they haven't updated the system requirements on their homepage. Anyway! Here is the quotation of their system requirements: -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Spoken for me only, New Moon and Serpent are the browsers I love to use as often as possible. It's fun and a respite from the Chrome world. And the extensions are unbeatable. Long live UXP! -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
In the German language, it is rather frowned upon to abbreviate anything. In the English language, it is common, especially in forums, but actually a comment should be coherent and understandable. On the other hand, I see clearly why an abbreviation was used in that case. By the way, I don't click on every link that is offered to me unless my curiosity and thirst for knowledge is aroused. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Ok, then you really meant article 3. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You think PH = Production house? -> article 4 -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
It's definitely not the negative, decadic logarithm of the concentration of hydrogen ions in a solution. But very funny, indeed! -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
AstroSkipper replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
I was a bit confused, too. I am German, and English is not my native language, of course. When I read this comment, I thought PH is an abbreviation for "people here". But then, and only if I'm right, shouldn't it actually read "When PH stop working"? -
XP/Vista-compatible clients for modern email services?
AstroSkipper replied to Mathwiz's topic in Windows XP
Hello @Mathwiz! To be honest, after the recent changes to Gmail & Co. it has become more problematic to find a fully functioning email client on Windows XP. There are still a couple of XP-compatible email clients but whether they support all email services or most recent protocols has to be researched or tested. Anyway! I found one interesting, well-known (first release in 1990) candidate for you. It's Pegasus Mail v4.81 with Gmail OAUTH2 support released last month (January 2023), at the moment as a public beta (see below). Here is the link: https://www.pmail.com/betas.htm and the download link: https://download-us.pmail.com/w32-481-pb3.exe. It's free of charge and on their homepage, Pegasus Mail is listed as XP/Vista-compatible. Quotation from their homepage: More information about Pegasus Mail v4.8x can be found here: https://www.pmail.com/v48x.htm Short quotation from there: And a list of its features: https://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_winpmail.htm Cheers, AstroSkipper