AstroSkipper

I agree wholeheartedly. Besides New Moon 28 and Serpent 52/55, Mypal 68 is another perfect browser for older operating systems. @feodor2 has definitely done a great job.

@feodor2 Do you have any idea why the legacy extension loaders don't work properly in Mypal 68.13.0? How far along is the development at the moment regarding everything that concerns extensions? E.g. the update function of extensions and so on?

Thanks for the information! Good to know! BTW, I never had any BSODs. I am using Mypal 68 in single-process mode, though.

BTW, turning off Windows XP Firewall is not necessarily needed. Just for testing purpose! Generally, it should work with Windows XP Firewall enabled. But you have to allow connections of IE and Proxy's PopMenu in your firewall, of course. TBH, it was a labyrinth at the time when we were solving all related problems to get it work. But now, it's just a problem of proper configuration. So, not really an abstract labyrinth anymore here! You do not have to be a Maze Runner.

AFAIK, @feodor2's main focus is in developing the JavaScript engine. All other features will then presumably come later.

Ok! That looks much better. Now, you have a problem with accessing the Microsoft Windows Update page. As I already wrote, you should follow my guide Complete guide for restoring IE's access to WU/MU website using ProxHTTPSProxy or HTTPSProxy in Windows XP. This guide is well-tested, too, and after doing all steps, MU should actually work. The problem with the loops is probably caused by a misconfiguration of the Internet Explorer. Please read especially step 4 of my guide (but all other steps are also important, of course)!

No, he means the page about:support:

@Outbreaker! WU/MU works perfectly using Proxy's PopMenu. If it doesn't work for you, then you did unfortunately something wrong. Everything is detailed and sufficiently documented. My advice: Do all from scratch following the instructions! BTW, you didn't answer my questions. One of them for example was: In the unexpected case that you still have problems despite my extensive instructions, I need more detailed information to help you in a reasonable and problem-oriented way. An exact description of the problem with version information, screenshots and so on. But, as I said, everything should actually run immediately and without any problems. Cheers, AstroSkipper

You have to follow the instructions in my manual inside the archive. If Proxy's PopMenu doesn't show icons, and the menu items don't work, then it is not properly installed. You have to start the executable Configure PopMenu.exe first to set up Proxy's PopMenu. See under the section 7.5 or 9.3.2 (according to the version you are using) of my article ProxHTTPSProxy and HTTPSProxy in Windows XP for future use! A detailed documentation, titled Documentation of ProxHTTPSProxy's PopMenu 3V1 (or 3V3), can be found in the subfolder Docs of each program package and should be read before using ProxHTTPSProxy's PopMenu in any case. The installation, all features and more are described there. The process of installation and setting up is actually very easy. In any case, my package has been tested deeply, and it works as described.

Hello @Outbreaker! Which version of the TLS proxies are you using? Starting the proxy by applying ProxHTTPSProxy_PSwitch.exe means you have installed an older version such as ProxHTTPSProxy REV3e or my package ProxHTTPSProxy's PopMenu 3V1. These versions are TLS 1.2 proxies and not up to date. You should actually use one of the TLS 1.3 proxies, either ProxyMII (20220717) aka ProxHTTPSProxy 1.5.220717 or my most recent package ProxHTTPSProxy's PopMenu TLS 1.3 3V3. Of course, the old TLS 1.2 proxies should still work, too. Under the account Local Computer? If not, it won't work. Did you already read my article Complete guide for restoring IE's access to WU/MU website using ProxHTTPSProxy or HTTPSProxy in Windows XP? The loops are presumably a result of a misconfiguration of the IE (see step 4). If all steps of my guide are performed properly, it will definitely work. Here is my list with all other working methods to access WU or MU successfully: Kind regards, AstroSkipper

You surely mean dom.cycle_collector.incremental.

I think I have made my point of view and therefore my opinion crystal clear. That has nothing to do with criticism. And the problem with perception is truly a different one and cannot be solved by me.

Palefill has been updated to the version 1.27 with interesting changes. The web interfaces of GMX and WEB.DE have not worked in New Moon 28 for a very long time. With Palefill 1.27, the interfaces of these email providers can finally be loaded normally again. No need to run anymore the interfaces with reduced functionality at the moment. A big thanks to martok! Very good job!

Criticizing? Far from it. As far as I'm concerned, everyone can do whatever they want with their computer. Whether it makes sense or not. I couldn't care less! And if you read my first post properly, you would have noticed that I appreciate your project from a technical point of view. Here is my statement again: And having a different opinion and expressing it does never harm. Quite the opposite! It might make you think. At least that's how it works here in Germany and in many other European countries. And if someone has a problem with that, it doesn't bother me at all. For my part, I am neither interested in gaming nor in retro computing. I have been a genuine Windows XP user for over 20 years and am therefore not interested in retro, but in original. All my doing here on MSFN is to support real Windows XP users who need this operation system or want to use it for whatever reason. And by that I don't mean playing around with Windows XP today and Windows 98 in a VM tomorrow and so on. Yep, the beauty of XP is in the sum of its part and has fully developed in my computer over more than two decades. And it doesn't seem to want to stop. Cheers, AstroSkipper

TBH, how many seconds more or less are needed for a cold or warm start of a computer is completely irrelevant to me and not an important criterion. Then I'll go have a smoke. The actual point I was making is different. Brevity is the spice: modern computer, modern operating system. It's as simple as that. IMHO, Windows XP belongs on older hardware, which is fully utilised by this operating system. Otherwise, a computer would not be used in all its capabilities.

From a purely technical point of view, this is all quite interesting. And your presentation is perfectly successful and detailed. But I don't see Windows XP as an operating system on modern hardware. Nor in a virtual environment. Many people still have very old hardware that may be fully functional and should be used for various reasons. I, for example, have a very old computer from the year 2000 with a 32-bit processor Intel Pentium 4 2.80 GHz and only 1.5 GB RAM. On such a computer, a maximum of Windows XP 32-bit SP3 or a 32-bit variant of Linux can be installed. Virtualisation on such a computer is of course doomed to failure. And to be honest, I'm glad that I'm allowed to use @roytam1s UXP browsers on this old computer and not this Chrome stuff that I use (or have to use) enough on Android, Windows 7 or Windows 10 anyway. I'm not a gamer, and I don't use Microsoft Office anymore. I therefore find my old, real Windows XP system a real respite and am completely satisfied. In my opinion, modern operating systems belong on modern computers, even if, like me, you don't necessarily like them. So why should I use Windows XP on them? For me, it doesn't really make sense, unless you want to go a bit retro. But then you don't want the Chrome stuff and other newer programs that you can always run on Windows 7 or 10. I don't think much of Windows 11. That's why I don't mention it. By the way, I should add that Windows XP 32-bit SP3 is still my main operating system, which is probably no longer the case with most people here in the forum. Greetings, AstroSkipper

Thanks for your understanding! In Roman and German law, there is the following principle: Ignorantia legis non excusat. Therefore, interpreted in a figurative sense, mea culpa!

No. I thought it is a place to post funny stories. As I already mentioned, I usually do not post in such a forum. That is why I do not deal with it in detail. But thanks for the hint! And TBH, all related to psychological content is not my subject at all, and certainly not here on MSFN.

I think that there are indeed programs whose age plays a subordinate role. My firewall in Windows XP is now 7 years old, and I would not exchange it for any other program. Firewalls for Windows XP in particular don't necessarily have to be up to date as long as they can still control data traffic correctly in these days. That is one of the reasons why I also list such old firewalls as Look 'n' Stop Firewall here. And of course, the Comodo Firewall definitely belongs here, too. And sometimes, the following rule can be applied: old OS, old program. That's what it was made for.

Joking in a subforum called Funny Farm? No problem! That's the actual goal of such a location. I agree with you that everything is changing in our world. Much faster than in the older times. But unfortunately, there are many changes I don't like. I am a bit old school or maybe more. One of my main goals here on MSFN is to make Windows XP fit for the next few years, to maintain it, to support it and keep it alive as long as possible. So much for Legacy Windows.

CurrPorts With the analysis tool CurrPorts from NirSoft, you can display all occupied ports for TCP/IP and UDP on your computer. The tool lists each process with open ports and extensive information such as local and external addresses of a program connected to the internet or a network. If desired, the tool creates a clear TXT, HTML or XML document from this. Even after so many years and updates, CurrPorts is still compatible with Windows XP, like most programs from NirSoft portable and of course free of charge. All further information can be found on the CurrPorts homepage. Quotation from their homepage: Homepage: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html Version number: 2.77 Date of release: 13.12.2023 System requirements: Windows NT Windows 2000 Windows XP Windows Server 2003 Windows Server 2008 Windows Vista Windows 7 Windows 8 Windows 10 Version history: The complete version history can be found here: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html Review: https://www.ghacks.net/2019/08/02/blast-from-the-past-nirsofts-currports/ Download links: 32-Bit version: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.zip 64-Bit version: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports-x64.zip CurrPorts is also available in other languages which can be downloaded from their homepage. Screenshots: And here is a screenshot when opening MSFN website with New Moon 28: I love all the tools from NirSoft. CurrPorts is one of them. Knowing exactly which program uses which port and connects to where is very important and can play a crucial role in terms of system security. In my opinion, you simply have to have this program, especially just in case. Cheers, AstroSkipper

I'm glad you don't always agree with me. Otherwise that would also be a little strange and not at all desirable. I prefer people with a genuine, but also well-founded opinion.

Well, I don't know how that happened either. I used to be one of the youngest, and suddenly I'm one of the oldest. In any case, you have my deepest understanding for that fatal condition.

Thank you for your kind words! TBH, I don't believe to be always objective. I am a human individual and primarily shaped by my own subjective experiences. And because of my advanced age, I inevitably made a lot of them. I try to maintain a certain objectivity, but as long as it is not scientific in nature, I am bound to fail. What do you exactly mean with some sort of diagnosis?

What else did you expect starting such a thread in a non-technical subforum? Everything that is possible is posted here. This thread in this non-technical subforum has absolutely nothing to do with Legacy Windows. This is where especially all the social media and lollipop posters get attracted at their finest and nothing else. IMHO, this has nothing to do with the original idea of MSFN. Spoken for me only, I am in general technically interested when surfing MSFN. That's why you find me here very rarely. And that's why I became a member of the MSFN Forum in 2010.