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OK, I didn't read recent tests. To my experience, tests using IOMeter tend to represent the performance of SSD observed on a workstation - especially random 4k writes and reads with a small queue depth, like Q=1 for W2k and Q=1 or 2 with Xp.

Mcinwwl said: [...] who is willing to take the responsibility to keep the topic up-to-date and clean? I won't - but here I am with my additional mess. ---------- The future Firefox v52 is planned to be the latest developed for Xp (and Sse2 Cpu, that is, P4 and Amd Opteron/Amd64 minimum) and shall come in March 2017. After that, v52 shall receive only security updates up to 52.8 which might appear simultaneously with v58 for more recent Win. Presently, Firefox v50 runs on Xp. Examples of addons for v50 are Adblockplus 2.8.2 and Flashblock 1.5.20. Mozilla often suppress older versions from their website, so downloading the offline installer of 50 (or better, v52) seems prudent. You can download the addon installers by using Opera, rather than installing them immediately if using Firefox, and add them to a running Firefox by opening the xpi files on your disk from Firefox. Same for spell check dictionaries. Many localized versions of Firefox exist, or you can download the en-us version and add language packs https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/language-tools/ The current Thunderbird v45.5.1 runs on Xp. As it's a parallel development to Firefox, expect the latest edition for Xp to appear around March 2017 - or earlier since Thunderbird is more irregular. It uses the addons for Firefox like Adblock Plus 2.8.2 and spell checkers, plus few specific ones like Enigmail 1.9.6.1 (requires GnuPG). What version of GnuPG runs on Xp is hard to assess. The Linux community uses to distribute source code, sometimes you get a "binary" for "Windows" without more information, and over varied channels whose support for older Win differs. If someone wants to try, please tell! Opera v36 is the latest for Xp. The current v37 already demands Seven. v36 is multilingual http://download3.operacdn.com/pub/opera/desktop/36.0.2130.65/win/Opera_36.0.2130.65_Setup.exe and for instance adblock 1.12.4.1 runs on v36 https://addons.opera.com/fr/extensions/details/opera-adblock/ and its offline installer (.nex) can be downloaded by using Firefox by telling "download anyway". ---------- The current Flash Player v23.0.0.207 still runs officially on Xp and integrates to Firefrox v50 and Opera v36 http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ BUT you get only a 1MB loader there, which will in the future download a version too recent for Xp: bad. A full offline installer is available at the editor sign annoyances like signup. I got mine from http://www.commentcamarche.net/download/telecharger-34055018-adobe-flash-player which links there https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/latest/help/install_flash_player.exe apparently, the file is multilingual (please confirm!). You may want a displayer for Pdf documents, despite Firefox v50 does it without help, because IE8 doesn't alone You want to read Pdf documents outside a browser Firefox' Pdf displayer doesn't fill Pdf forms. To test on fillable forms, go there: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/. Xp has only bad choices already. Acrobat 11 is outdated, and Firefox complains every time about it. Truly annoying. And it's Acrobat anyway. Sumatra 3.12 is perfect offline but doesn't bring a browser plugin, nor does it fill Pdf forms. Nitro 5.5.9.2 is not for Xp, Evince neither Foxit 4 is outdated Foxit 8 is the least bad to fill Pdf forms and integrate to browsers, but meanwhile it's as bloated as Acrobat: 4s load time! Acrobat read properly the forms I filled by Foxit 8, which isn't true from other displayers. ---------- The current Java 8u111 installs and runs unofficially on Xp. 7u55 was the latest officially for Xp. ---------- The current CCleaner v5.25 installs and runs on Xp (3.28 on W2k, 2.36.1233 on W98-Me-Nt4, while on W95 v1.41 runs but may not be the latest and 2.19 fails). The current Avast 2016 runs on Xp. ---------- The current 7-zip v16.04 runs on Xp officially and experimentally - and probably on older Win. The current IZArc 4.2 demands Vista but installs and seems to run unofficially on Xp. It contains no ads. v4.19 claims W2k-Xp-2k3-V-7-8 but contains ads. Shortly before 4.19, some were officially for Xp and without ads - and you can also install IZArc after stopping your Internet connection. ---------- Google Earth v7.1.7.2602 fails to run on Xp after installing without complaint and being recommended for Xp by Google - kudos. W2k enthusiasts greet Xp users in this new experience. Hey, maybe someone wants to develop the software compatibility diagnostic I suggest there (messages 5 and 7) http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/68781-i-need-suggestion-regarding-my-master-thesis-topic/page__view__findpost__p__700647 Google Earth v4.2 runs on Xp (and W2k) but I hope some v6 still works on Xp. Though, I haven't found an offline installer for v6 after a quick search, and the 700kB file is only a loader that will probably install v7 - just like many websites claim v6 but link to the latest version at Google, hence the inadequate v7. If someone finds an offline installer, please tell! For v6, or an earlier if v6 doesn't run on Xp. Merry Christmas to everyone!

To my understanding, the "target chipset" in the InfInst is the latest for which this version of the installer was written. Each InfInst fits many chipsets, often back to the ich6, so if v9.4.4.1006 installs, this only indicates that the chipset is not newer than Bay Trail-M/D SOC.

I'm easy with Spanish, German and English too and can survive with Portuguese and Italian, so Paraguay and Bolivia are options among others, yes.

The point is that the French bank card association could slowly begin to imagine to give a thought at the possibility of conceiving the project of picking a longer key. Unless, of course, they want to run into trouble again.

Hi Win98! I have no experience with your Lenovo Z565, but I did use Hfslip for W2k and no issue with Usb 2.0 nor with graphics drivers, which worked just as well (...to be optimistic) as without using Hfslip. I did recently have a worry with drivers for a Geforce 8400gs that apparently included that hardware but effectively didn't, because the v3 series of 8400gs is a more recent Gt218 chip that differs a lot from v2 and v1 (other dX model!) and demands a specific driver unavailable for W2k. Just to tell that the message "The specified location does not contain information about your hardware" may be true and needs a thorough investigation based on the complete chip identity.

I still haven't found the important information: what chipset is on the mobo? This determines the Ahci driver that accesses the disks, hence whether an Xp driver exists. For a processor launched in 2014, and a possibly older chipset, official Xp support by Intel is a reasonable possibility. Then, just pick the latest Intel driver meant for Xp and check if the .inf file cites your chipset (which should be a single chip in 2014). Can you access some Pci-E extension slot on your laptop? Then you would put a Sata card on Pci-E, well chosen to have Xp Ahci drivers, and connect the drive to the extension card. Well, laptops are horrible for that. Your choice, your fault. Bizarre idea: in case BWC has made a W2k Ahci driver for your chipset, Xp should be able to use it too.

Hello nice people! Should the XP user community have a thread about the latest version of applications (and runtimes and so on) that run on well updated but unmodified XP sp3? As inspired by http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/133014-last-versions-of-software-for-windows-2000/ because more and more software editors drop the XP compatibility, so just now would be the right time to write it down. This might need someone who maintains the thread for readability, maybe to keep a front page with the raw information. What do you think?

Last time I checked the performance (measured by other people) of Samsung's SSD they were bad. Has this improved? Or would you better have a second look at other brands and models? You didn't mention any graphics card. Is this unimportant to you? Or does the integrated graphics suffice?

Hello everybody! You may know (but are welcome to ignore) that France has already had trouble with the security of bank chip cards. Well, it didn't really improve, whatever the reason is. In 1984, the bank card association chooses an RSA key length of 320 bits, far too little. Whether the government interfered it everyone's guess. In 1988, academic experts warn that the key is too short. Neither the association nor the government react. Additionally, the symmetric encryption has a 56-bit key: too short as well, broken efficiently in 1998. In 1998, the factorization record is 430 bits, but the association hasn't moved. An enthusiast, Serge Humpich, factors the 320-bit key of the French bank cards association, and shows the association that he can forge bank cards that would be usable for bad purposes. The French state jails Mr. Humpich and censors the Press about it, as if the real enemies had needed newspapers to know the weakness, but makes no serious technical decision. Presently (end 2016), the RSA key length is 768 bits on French bank cards, waooo. When this was decided, the factorization record was 512 bits, and experts warned not to stay too long with 1024-bit keys. The present factorization record is 768 bits too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_numbers#RSA-768 and once a big machine has factored the association's key, any fake bank card can use the factors. Well done again!

From the Beeb: the UE has imposed to compute and store hash values for all images that shall be censored http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38207977 Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter and Youtube collaborate. It's the same process that France and others had already imposed to all Internet access providers. Each and everytime you and I put a new image on the Web, someone in a poor country (often the Philippines) has to check it, and if for some reason a government dislikes it, its hash value lands in a red list. Obviously, the permitted images get screened and hashed too since this avoids the repeated human screening. And the same happens for each and every new Internet address - for instance a new message on a forum. And as soon as artificial intelligence gets half-way as efficient and cheap as the Philippino, it replaces him. Obviously, the UE tells this will avoid "violent or extremist material". But once the process exists, it is able to censor whatever a government and its agencies want, hence it will serve for arbitrary censorship. This is a basic, fundamental and unavoidable law of all governments. You can be certain that copyrighted material will be blocked that way from uploading - it must already be the case. Just like everything the government or its agencies dislike.

A PIII Tualatin is a Cpu candidate for a low-power computer with W2k and Nt4 drivers, but the North bridge limits the Dram size: 512MB for the excellent i815ep, 256MB for the 440bx which rejects the Tualatin. Then, other chipsets address more Ram but are not from Intel. Via does (I hate Via for having lost data with it but other users here report no worry) and permits two 370 sockets. As a file sever, Nt4 is a good idea. Even from the PIII era, you get hardware and drivers for the wide Pci-X (64b and 133MHz) on which you can put: - A Sata Raid, especially the excellent SiI3124 chip from Silicon Image. Allows Ssd performance, exceeds 137GB and so on. - Fast Ethernet Then, one may wonder if newer hardware is better, because the best Pci-X mobos and extensions boards only achieve standard Pci-E throughput, so you get the performance of a present-day Core i3, which may save power just as the Tualatin did and offers hugely better Dram throughput and computing power. A Core 2 too outperforms a PIII-based server and has excellent ported drivers for W2k; the ones around 2GHz draw little power.. Don't forget neither that a server mobo is catastrophic at video performance. At the Pci-X era they used to offer a 32b-Pci slot for the graphic card.

In case Wsus doesn't allow the user to pick what updates he wants or not (like telemetry), an alternative updater with this feature still looks interesting.

The installation of a Service Pack doesn't add its size to the running Windows, and even less so to the Ram volume it takes. Despite hating Xp, i admit I have no significant difficulties about Usb 2.0, using plain factory drivers and settings.

Wow, is it a Tualatin in your profile's image? My mom still uses the computer I built around a 1400MHz/133MHz/512kB. After a short reading, it looks like DISM applies patches to an image of Windows, so do you suggest it would apply them to an shut down installation? Interesting! I just wonder, since DISM must run on Windows, whether the protections would hamper it. Running on a Linux live CD would circumvent that difficulty. Apply the updates to the NT4 source: at least two enthusiasts have written the necessary batch updater. A sort of equivalent to Hfslip, but more difficult because Microsoft had not foreseen the Nt4 patches to accept a /integrate option, so the batch updater must do everything autonomously. A batch updater that runs on non-Windows, applies the patches on a shutdown installed Windows would be interesting for Nt4, which little people use these days, but also for all other Win. Imagine Seven: a convenience rollup exists now, but people who reject telemetry must still apply the patches one by one. Among other future solutions, a life Cd that applies a folder full of patches to the shutdown installed Seven would be comfortable, and could do more tweaks easily when the protections are aslept.

Check the datasheet of the North Bridge. For the Intel 815ep the limit is 512MB, possibly because it only outputs so many address lines. Other North Bridges do access more Ram, especially a Via chipset for the Tualatin PIII. It's just that I hate Via chipsets after having had piles of problems. Yes, a PIII Tualatin 1400MHz pushes W2k very well - but plain W2k on the Internet would be too risky for a normal user, and Xp+antivirus+browser don't run properly in 512MB. That's the very reason why I assemble a Core 2 duo for my mom presently.

What about the Servicing Stack? I know it's required before installing the Convenience Rollup by standard means. But does it by itself contain updates? In other words, if I install the blessed telemetry-free post-SP1 updates instead of the Convenience Rollup, is the Servicing Stack any necessary? Also: I've seen people using special commands to integrate the Convenience Rollup in the Seven installation Dvd. Can the normal updates /integrate to the contents of the Seven installation Dvd as was done for W2k and Xp? And does anything speak against Nero to add the boot sector to the Dvd, instead of using a part of the 1.7GB AIK? Thanks!

Server Ram is often registered, which the "R" may hint to, while desktop Cpu often demand unregistered Ram. You could check that point. Ram speed without influence: that's unexpected to me. Especially for video editing, I though Dram throughput would be the one limiting factor, even more so if your future Cpu has 8 cores. I didn't grasp the two graphics cards. Do you plan to build them in and out as you switch the OS? That would be unbearable, to my opinion. With the same processing power as the Rx 480, you have the Gtx 780, which has drivers for Xp (v340.52) - the main difference is that it's dX11 instead of dX12.

For folder synchronization and for backups, I use Free Commander www.freecommander.com which offers the options "ignore 1h difference" and "ignore 2s difference" and even "ignore the date" when comparing two folders before making the needed copies. I haven't noted down which version works on W98se, but 2009.02 runs very well on W95b. 2009.02b would be officially the last on W2k but as it looks, the author maintains a broader compatibility than what he guarantees, so you may try a more recent one on W98se too. More generally, I strongly recommend this nice piece of software, with which I have never made a mistake.

While I'm sure about my observations, with a different disk on a different southbridge the same operation ran smoothly, so I don't know what to think.

I hoped Jaclaz would answer that more clearly. I don't have a long experience with Nt4. Everything I've read up to now tells "NO". That is, the system volume is limited to 8GB. Not only because the install disk formats this volume as Fat16 first, but also because the installed Nt4 SP0 can't access much more - possibly because it accesses disks via the CHS rather than LBA (?). Once Nt4 has received one service pack (N°4?) it can access the disk to 128GiB (?) so you can define volume(s) beyond 8GB but when you repair Nt4 with the install Cd it regresses to SP0 since the SP can't officially be slipstreamed in the install Cd so your Windows must constantly be able to operate and get updates without the help of the other volumes. I've read about tricks to - Slipstream updates, including SP6a and SR2 in the install Cd - Provide SP4's Atapi.sys to Nt4sp0, disguised as a host driver on an F6 diskette, to access the full disk but I didn't investigate since i would probably take months.

Glad to hear that. But I confirm that the Xp install bugged with four primary partitions, and that I'm positive about that. Maybe something else went wrong, but I'm certain about my observations.

Welcome, k2x5! Here's just a first answer, not very detailed. The basic difficulty is that Intel provides no official driver for plain W2k on this recent H81 chipset. For sure, no official Intel driver exists for any integrated graphics adapter (IGA, here 4600) - the thingy that Intel puts in its Northbridge and more recently in its Cpu. Never mind, because the IGA is bad anyway, so one better puts a true graphics card instead. It could be BUT I didn't check this recently that you find official InfInst "drivers" from Intel for W2k that configure much of the PCH (the single chip that remains presently from the chipset). This is expected to improve the "PCI-to-PCI bridge" and some more. Not the IGA. I know that no official Intel W2k driver exists for the disk host of your H81. You can still access the disks, but without the Ahci mode that brings Ncq, a feature useful to accelerate disk access by reordering multiple access requests to serve them sooner. You didn't tell the brand and model of your graphics card. As a comparison, my GF9800gt is about the latest for which official W2k drivers exist. So you might try IF the Infinst improves something for W2k on your H81, then access the disks without the Ahci mode, and put a graphics card that has an official W2k driver. Or you can go unofficial ways, and this takes several weeks. Brilliant forum members here have ported drivers and more things so W2k runs on more modern (or even up-to-date) hardware. Ahci drivers (fed by the F6 diskette at W2k installation) exist for many chipsets. I run my P45+ich10r that way for years with a thankful thought for the driver's porter. This is a minimum change in the system, and is quick to learn. Or you switch to extensions to W2k that let drivers (and applications) run that were meant for more recent Windows. I can't tell (but others here can) what chips are addressed, and whether the H81 is one of them. For sure, it demands you to invest time in it, more so if you Windows isn't English. Some ported graphics drivers may exist that run on W2k without the OS extensions, I don't know details. For sure, many cards and drivers operate on extended W2k. All this must be checked in case-by-case and takes time. That's the price of an abandoned OS. Depending on the machine's use, you may want to check what antivirus and web browser may run on plain (very restrictive! Many web pages won't display properly!) or extended W2k.

Wireless on Nt4: what about an Ethernet router that offers Wifi too? The excellent DG834G Adsl 2+ modem does all this, its v5 offers Wpa2 encryption, and Ethernet is compatible with everything, so I hope (without having tested!) that the router connected by Ethernet to the Nt4 machine would connect it to the other machines over Wifi. But it's not necessarily what is desired here. Updates for ie6: I'd go straight to Microsoft's monthly patches list and pick the ones for the ie6 that is not part of a windows - that is, ie6 for W2k. Just try (by dichotomy) up to what date they accept to install on Nt4, or if investing more time, up to what date the installed executables make calls only to dll entries available on Nt4. The ie6 patches were applicable to W2k well after MS dropped support for W2k, just like Dotnet patches apply to W2k well after 2010. Hotfixes one by one: this is the only way foreseen by MS, to my understanding. Neither the SP nor the HF can be officially slipstreamed into the Nt4 installation disk. Though, at least two persons developed inofficial slipstream tools for Nt4 - I didn't try them but could search in my archives. Without investing months in that topic, the best bet may be a bat file to apply the patches from their folder - but if reboot is mandatory it won't be easy. Or would it be any possible to apply the hotfixes on an installed Nt4 from an other OS? I mean, plug your disk containing the Nt4 on an other machine, or boot an other OS on that machine, and run a home-made program that extracts the updated files from the patches and puts them in the Nt4 installation? That would be a nice project, not only for Nt4, if it's possible. I mean, something like a live CD or Usb stick (Linux or other) that can get a folder full of Windows patches, find what to do with each and apply them to the temporarily inactive Windows without asking 200 times "Are you sure", "agree with the licence" and "reboot". Win7 users would be happy with that too. Usefully, this updater could be told once what to do if a patch isn't signed, or applies officially to an other OS version or an other language. It might also prevent the overload of the "add-suppres programs" list, or (drawbacks?) have a separate patch list and rollback file store, and document neatly which patch modifies which file to what version.

I confirm I made only primary partitions with all versions of GPartEd. The logical volumes in a secondary partition were only made by the Windows installation Cd because I had no choice. ---------- New observations: I made the same operation Four primary partitions by GPartEd, this time v12.0.2, asking for no alignment at all, but putting the first partition after 1MB for having no choice. Installed W2k on the first, then Xp on the second partition. But this time on a WD5000AAKX at an (half broken) ich7 rather than on an X25-E at an ich10r. This first edition of ich7 know no Ahci so I gave no driver through the F6 diskette process. Access at Sata/3000 speed with Pata commands and no Ncq. and it worked without any difficulty. To my best knowledge, my ich10r is sound. I used the Intel driver v8.7.0.1007 for Xp, normally it shouldn't matter.