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New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20241130-3219d2d-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20241130-3219d2d-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20241130-3219d2d-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20241130-d849524bd-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20241130-d849524bd-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod-ia32.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20241130-d849524bd-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20241130-d849524bd-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - [js] Avoid potential crash if GC cell is no longer valid. (6c6ab6de1a) - [network] Update effective TLD names list. (01624751a1) - Issue #2255 - Follow-up: Check if we actually have a non-null global object. (24f3a981b6) - [XPCOM] Warn about .library-ms files on Windows (treat as executable) (857990d172) - [NSS] Bug 1899402 - Correctly destroy bulkkey in error scenario. r=jschanck (e825209039) No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build. No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build. My changes picked since my last build: - nss: update nssckbi to 2.72 (e26468c8a2) Update Notice: - You may delete file named icudt*.dat inside program folder when updating from old releases. * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.

To get back on topic, I am a true, daily Windows XP user. I have very special UC.JS scripts (created by a great German Firefox community) running in Mypal 68, some of which I had to customise for the now obsolete Mypal 68 browser. I have also developed nice and more complex custom buttons especially for Mypal 68. I will produce a clip to give you an impression of my configuration and work. I have already posted a clip with my new Process Mode Toggler custom button. I don't know if you've looked at it yet. https://msfn.org/board/topic/183657-mypal-68-in-windows-xp-custom-buttons-and-extensions/?do=findComment&comment=1275047

No, nothing else runs, as soon as I boot up, it has a load of 3%, if I boot into Safe Mode, no load observed. DWM? Tried non-Aero custom them (to exclude Aero as the culprit), but all the same, No such on the same PC with Vista. Further tests are only possible when (if) I return. Thanks. You have a 700 series card, do you get the same with 7? Mine is GTX Titan (first issue Jan. 2013)

You're welcome! You mean the one that installs another system level driver revoflt.sys to accumulate more Thorium crashes and BSOD? "BSOD error stated - revoflt.sys system_service_exception" https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/bsod-revofltsys-systemserviceexception/0b504c4f-875e-46e9-939e-93e3c44b1e5a Though, yes, I agree in some limited cases it can help. But it's painfully slow on deleting many small files.

I guess that is our difference. I don't mind LEARNING a new GUI for the sake of PERFORMANCE. I could CARE LESS about "security/safety". That's an exaggeration. Slightly. "Security/safety" is all POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. HYPE up the WHAZOO. Just be NET SAVVY - something most folks are clueless on what that even means. And only allow .js on "three out of every two hundred" web sites that you visit. Another SLIGHT exaggeration. There is "security/safety" risks just walking down the hallway in your house, just stepping out of your house into the "wilderness", just driving your car, just shopping for groceries. We can all be so paranoid of "security/safety" that we never walk down the hallway, never step out of the house, never drive the car, never shop for groceries. We are all going to draw our own line in the sand. Folks here at MSFN spout PARANOID DELUSIONS left and right. Some for "security/safety". Some for "privacy/telemetry". Some for "performance". ALL THREE HAVE THEIR MERITS.

New build of post-deprecated Serpent/moebius for XP! * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual. ** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions. Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20241130-92d71e3d9-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20241130-92d71e3d9-xpmod.7z repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55 Repo changes: - import from UXP: [js] Avoid potential crash if GC cell is no longer valid. (6c6ab6de) (9175eb7ab) - ported from `custom` branch of UXP: [network] Update effective TLD names list from esr128. (09173500f) - ported from `custom` branch of UXP: Issue #2255 - Follow-up: Check if we actually have a non-null global object. (24f3a981) (0b755afb3) - import from UXP: [XPCOM] Warn about .library-ms files on Windows (treat as executable) (857990d1) (0bf186820) - import from UXP: [NSS] Bug 1899402 - Correctly destroy bulkkey in error scenario. r=jschanck (e8252090) (d7feb3867) - import from `custom` branch of UXP: nss: update nssckbi to 2.72 (e26468c8) (92d71e3d9)

New build of BOC/UXP for XP! Test binary: MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20241130-7bda12e7-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20241130-7bda12e7-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom * Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15. -- New build of HBL-UXP for XP! Test binary: IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20241130-id-656ea98-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20241130-id-656ea98-ia-93af9a0-uxp-e26468c8a2-xpmod.7z source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild

well what we should not do is just to let them do their thing every kind of resistence is a resistence everything that is good against 10 is good, everything that is bad to 10 is good everykind of remembers how it used to be, what has badly changed might be something we can say we can code other programms linux is not a enemy we can stay on a OS before 10 , it dont matter what one just that it is not 10 or 11 we can talk against 10 we can try to bring missing parts to the other operating systems we can try to ask lawers what we can do against this monopoly we can try not to buy win10 products (such as only support that os) - what is our right neither what someones resistence look like, try to be creativ just not giving up ...

Here is a short demo of the Extension Options Menu script: This script is no longer working in Mypal 68.14.5b due to the recent changes. You won't find anything comparable. This is an Add-ons Manager in the form of a toolbar button. Webextensions can't do that due to their restrictions. That's why you can't find any working Add-ons Manager extensions on Mozilla Firefox extensions page. P.S.: At this point, I should mention that this script works in more recent, official Firefox releases but no longer in Mypal 68.14.5b. And I totally forgot to show in the clip that a left-click onto an extension opens its Options. Even uninstalling extensions can be done via this script. In short, a fast Add-ons Manager in the form of a toolbar button.

The Process Mode Toggler custom button has been originally developed for my personal use only. So, no download link is available at the moment as it is not released so far. And if Mypal 68 doesn't support the Custom Buttons extension any longer, then there will never be a release of this button. It's up to @feodor2 what will happen next. BTW, my Restart & Purge v2.0 custom button is a unique one for convenient clearing of the Startup Cache via one click. This is very important for all users of UC.JS scripts to make them run correctly after code or script changes.

Noted. I missed that part of the conversation. Apologies. Accepted. Such misunderstandings can happen. You know, I am a man of clear words. Then send it to me in Germany!

Sorry. It seems you really don't get it. The Custom Buttons extension works in the official Firefox releases in general, even in the latest versions. And so do my and other custom buttons created with this extension. If the latest version of Mypal 68 no longer supports this extension, then that is actually an issue that does not even occur in the official Mozilla versions. And you won't understand the problem if you are not a user of Mypal 68 and this extension. You are a Chrome/Chromium user and has abandoned Windows XP. Your self-created, proprietary buttons have nothing to do with this topic and are totally irrelevant. It's not about stopping software development, but rather about steering it in the right direction so as not to act even worse than Mozilla does. And for someone who hates raccoons 🦝, has never really been involved with Mypal 68 and is no longer a user of Windows XP, I don't understand what you're actually trying to accomplish here.

@feodor2 As I already suggested, I will send you via PM an archive with the most recent Custom Buttons extension, the no longer working UC.JS scripts together with a CSS stylesheet which has the task to style the toolbar button generated by one of the scripts. Everything works fine in Mypal 68.14.4b and has stopped working in Mypal 68.14.5b. And forget about xiaoxiaoflood. This is simply crap. I have tested it deeply, and this method for loading legacy extensions and scripts cannot do anything valuable in Mypal 68 except failing.

You don't get it. The Custom Buttons extension has stopped working completely. So, none of my custom buttons can be used anymore.

@AstroSkipper I think the memory problem with the closing tabs in v68.14.4b is a bigger problem for normal users that don't use any Addons. It would had been better to release more smaller versions with one task fixed before moving on to the next one.

Just for your information! All solutions, be it UC.JS scripts, extensions or CSS stylesheets, I have posted here are definitely working up to the version 68.14.4b. Unfortunately, the most recent version Mypal 68.14.5b causes breakages. (German saying. Translated: There is the worm in it!) Therefore, be careful when updating Mypal 68! A backup of your profile should be done first. Do not post here any issues regarding this version! Mypal 68.14.5b contains changes which break different things like extensions, scripts and styles. Therefore, it should be used with caution in production systems. I have installed it for testing purpose only and for reporting issues. All issues should be reported in the Mypal 68 thread or to the issues on GitHub.

The last months, I have deepened my knowledge about JavaScript and CSS. In the case of the Process Mode Toggler custom button, one might think that it only toggles the browser.tabs.remote.autostart preference. However, this is not the case. Besides toggling this preference, my custom button displays the current process mode via toolbar icon and tooltip. It doesn't matter whether the button was used for toggling the process mode or not. It always recognises the correct mode. The process mode change is linked to a restart of the browser which is of course necessary for running the browser in the new mode. Additionally, it also adjusts two other prefs that are related to the respective process mode: dom.ipc.processCount and dom.ipc.processCount.webLargeAllocation. Their values can be preset for the respective process mode in the first lines of the button code. So, this custom button is very special and rather unique. In any case, one thing is clear. Webextensions are much more restricted and not allowed to control such features what in contrast UC.JS scripts and legacy custom buttons can easily do, though.

Which two buttons? The clip is about one button, my recently created custom button called Process Mode Toggler. You won't find it anywhere. However, I have recently posted some new custom buttons for UXP browsers and compatibles in my thread "Extensions and custom buttons for UXP browsers - Corrections, modifications, adjustments, and special recommendations". Given the lack of response and interest, I doubt that the Custom Buttons extension is used very much in general by our members or readers for whatever reasons which I do not really have to understand, though. And with a probability bordering on certainty even much less in Mypal 68 if at all. TBH, I am beginning to think I am the only one using the legacy Custom Buttons extension in Mypal 68. Anyway! I developed the Process Mode Toggler custom button actually for personal use in Mypal 68 to test UC.JS scripts, CSS stylesheets, extensions and legacy custom buttons conveniently and quickly in multiprocess mode as well in single-process mode. Especially to test my self-created ones. If there was genuine interest in my custom buttons and it was communicated in this way, then things would be different. But I can't see that so far. The clip I have posted should simply give you an impression of what I do with custom buttons and what can be done at all. No more, no less.

@feodor2 Again, same problem as quoted above but a bit more detailed. If you select a word on a page In New Moon or Serpent, the command goDoCommand("cmd_copy") in combination with the gClipboard.read() method fetches this selected word first and only then the last copied content from the clipboard during a second, following execution. In Mypal 68 (running in multiprocess mode), it is unfortunately the other way round. For me, it looks like an issue of execution priorities. So, my request. Can you restore the original execution order when this combination of commands is used in your browser such as it is in New Moon or Serpent? And just as a further information, the combination of the commands goDoCommand("cmd_copy") and goDoCommand("cmd_paste") works correctly in Mypal 68, though. Same applies to the gClipboard.read() method which solely executed also works correctly. @feodor2 After some tests, I can confirm that the issue I reported in my previous posts only happens in multiprocess mode. When running Mypal 68 in single-process mode, the command goDoCommand("cmd_copy") in combination with the gClipboard.read() method works correctly such as it is in New Moon or in Serpent. So, it is definitely a multiprocess mode issue. BTW, I really love to talk to myself.

@feodor2 Again, same problem as quoted above but a bit more detailed. If you select a word on a page In New Moon or Serpent, the command goDoCommand("cmd_copy") in combination with the gClipboard.read() method fetches this selected word first and only then the last copied content from the clipboard during a second, following execution. In Mypal 68 when running in multiprocess mode, it is unfortunately the other way round. For me, it looks like an issue of execution priorities. So, my request. Can you restore the original execution order in Mypal 68's multiprocess mode when this combination of commands is used in your browser such as it is in Mypal 68's single-process mode, in New Moon or in Serpent? And just as a further information, the combination of the commands goDoCommand("cmd_copy") and goDoCommand("cmd_paste") works correctly in Mypal 68, though. Same applies to the gClipboard.read() method which solely executed also works correctly.

The modern YouTube interface is simply crap. uBlock Origin is usually not the causer for any problems with YouTube , rather the opposite is the case. To watch videos on YouTube in old browsers (and despite all the improvements, Mypal 68 is still an old browser), one has to use extensions and/or userscripts to make them work. This and some already discussed measures are the reason why YouTube runs well again for me in Mypal 68.14.4b, even on my ancient computer from 2000.

Madonna 1992 - Erotica 2LP set, Made in Germany.

I share everyone's frustration towards the "modern" web, though in this case the problem lies within the browser, even simple text directories have a huge leak. https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/841

I think Shawn Keene is being a bit misleading, Aero is not officially supported starting Win8, it was dropped to favour the absolutely flat "Metro" design. DWM in Vista and 7/8 can't be lumped together, they are different. In Vista mu idling GPU with Aero stays at 0%, in Windows 7 it's about 3%. @UCyborg , why?

On a side note, you can try a faster RAM and CPU, it should be less noticeable, then. Also, remove thumbnails generating software to free up the resources for faster rendering.

There's nothing you can about it, it's hardcoded that way, In XP you could change the background folder, in 10 - not. The white 255-255-255 colour is default.

We all here agree with everyone, most of the time. I think the reason is - he can't run 122. Perhaps, and most likely, the user is on XP. I always loved how 360 was super fast, let it rest in peace. Thorium is heavier, btw.

Yep, but as soon as it again can't render, all gets back to IE. Had it many times in the beginning of 2023, then I moved to another browser completely.

Like @Karla Sleutel puts it, any constructive suggestions?

Dave, don't know about other versions, in the most popular 1030 it ignores that setting at all. When the browser can't render the site properly, it tries to do it with IE mode, gets stuck.

Judging by the amount of typos in the OP's post, I think it's a typo. It's 1030. Also doesn't work for me.

I've encountered many modern sites do let you in with old browsers, but only if you live in a first world country with a clean IP. Twitter had been a good example, members had troubles with Twitter's feed on Chrome 86, while Dave_H and I - hadn't.

New build of Serpent/UXP for XP! Test binary: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20220611-3219d2d-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20220611-3219d2d-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20220611-3219d2d-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod-ia32.7z source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32 NM28XP build: Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20220611-d849524bd-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod.7z Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win32-git-20220611-d849524bd-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod-sse.7z Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.6a1.win64-git-20220611-d849524bd-uxp-fec5435ab-xpmod.7z Official UXP changes picked since my last build: - Issue #1905 - Part 1 - Implement detection of Monterey (12.x), Intel emulation and fix required OS version check. (8cee7f2b1) - Issue #1905 - Part 2a - Build system fixes to allow use of SDK versioned 11.0 and higher. Also don't include code incompatible with SDK 10.15 and higher, when building with such a SDK. (45606ffa5) - Issue #1905 - Part 2b - Fix crash on startup due to inability to load system font with newer SDKs. Fix based on Mozilla Bug 1672842. (d18524ab7) - [MailNews] Allow shift-clicking on Edit As New to edit a message as plaintext. (6182744d9) - Revert "Issue #1909 - Guard against empty update manifest URL" (d8e6867da) No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build. No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build. My changes picked since my last build: - Revert "Issue #1909 - Guard against empty update manifest URL" (8c7e1338c) * Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.

I don't have control because they're cloudflare's server.

there are 2 branches in development, 2.53 is more mature one: http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ while 2.57 is more unstable: http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/

Such is life in the land of the unsupported. I use this style as a workaround (Stylem, userContent.css...): @-moz-document domain("drive.google.com") { #drive_main_page { overflow: auto; } }

@VistaLover - I am always amazed at how you can keep track of all of this "stuff". I always read these and can't for the life of me know "which" Serpent or New Moon to even "trust" anymore

please try again, should be available now

maybe cloudflare do some changes about TLS cipher. you may just change back to http:// instead as my domain doesn't enforce HTTPS usage.

a commit is reverted and should be fixed. https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55/commit/1ccc72b3c8a257548e8ae103cf9b8790feec3af1

alright with 120dpi I can reproduce the problem

What are you doing in this thread then, I wonder.