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OT. Last Vista one was probably based on Chrome 85, if I'm not mistaken. XP, most likely from 2016.

... Over the course of several previous years, "we" (UXP-users) have witnessed how the platform, in agony, struggled to cope with whatever new Javascript "feature" Google devs came up with, the most notorious of them being the non-polyfillable "operators" ("?.", "??"; read this excellent write-up by @InterLinked); at the time, I was semi-convinced that JS operators such as those would deal the final blow to UXP; thankfully, some talented UXP coders came up with own implementations of these operators, thus UXP was "saved" - but for how long? I'll have to side with NHTPG and, to a good extent, AstroSkipper that the last nail on UXP's coffin will be a "new" CSS-related "improvement" (sprinkle with a generous dose of sarcasm here ), implemented in a mixture of CSS code inside/alongside JS code (which seems to be the trend recently ); in the case of UXP, MCP's upstream (Mozilla) have CSS features implemented in Servo/Rust, so MCP can't backport easily, if at all, Mozilla code for these and get away with it; CSS-related UXP issues will keep piling up inside their tracker, with very dim prospect ... Case in point is a CSS bug that has been affecting GitHub in particular for many months now, it was acknowledged exactly one year ago, but so far no activity at all towards a resolution ... This particular "feature" was implemented only in Chromium 99, so it does "invalidate" the popular 360EEv13 and/or KafanMiniBrowser variants on XP/Vista x86; only implemented in Firefox 97, thus putting Mypal68 out of the game, too; if it weren't for the new "additions" (Supermium and its semi-fork Thorium) that appeared at a most opportune time , "we" retro-OS-ers (I just devised this term, ) would have run out of options...

Just a small hint. If you are using my mod uBlock Origin Legacy 1.16.4.35 with the filter list Bypass Paywalls Clean filters enabled, you can additionally install the corresponding userscript Bypass Paywalls Clean. Some fixes require this userscript to make them work. You can download this script here. There are also language-specific userscripts which can be installed additionally to the English one. For the installation of the userscript(s), you must first install an userscript manager like, for example, Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey if you have not yet done so. Cheers, AstroSkipper

Hmm... are any of these work on XP? CatsXP doesn't even start on Vista without Kernel.

The last update of the GoodbyeAds-YouTube-AdBlock-Filter filter list seems to be performed 4 months ago. So, for me, not that old at the moment. However, if no more updates are rolled out, I will unfortunately have to remove this list from my mod uBlock Origin Legacy. PS: Not every list is maintained on a regular base. There are many lists maintained by only one person or updated when time is available. So, users have to be patient, unfortunately. But you can disable such a list at any time if you think, it has become obsolete.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186133-thorium/?do=findComment&comment=1264771

Let me understand this correctly -- you're concerned about security implications of a protocol currently used by the majority of the world, this in the context of Windows XP (an OS that hasn't received security updates for roughly a decade)?

Seems to be switched off by default. At least, in my installation for testing.

Try this - without quotes! Despite what other users/user may tell you. --disable-features=WebUsbDeviceDetection

Knocking on UDP, trying to make connections via QUIC, broadcasting to literally everything and everyone is the default chrome behaviour. The question is, why (if both @win32 and Alexi are trying to implement at least something similar to Ungoogled) didn't cut it out first. Seems like a very logical (and rather simple) first step.

Probably you hit the size limit. Try to delete your old attachments. It helped me, I can embed since then.

It is not really a necessary feature. You can change that in a very simple way inside your OS. Even by using a third party tool. Anyway! In general, New Moon 28 and Serpent 52 will get what has been developed for Pale Moon and Basilisk.

I had the exact same problem on WinXP SP3. I installed the "Segoe UI" fonts from Win10. Problem solved!

Supermium is the same as usual Chrome, but with tweaks to make it work on old OS. GDI rendering instead of Dwrite for XP, rewritten memory functioning. Supermium understands Chrome flags. Some flags added, some removed. All of the usual connections to Google servers are present.

They say you need to launch from a specially created icon (shortcut), did you do that? https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/531#issue-2275990442

I'm not up to arguing (especially when there's no need to). "Microsoft ends Windows 7 security updates | TechCrunch" Windows 7 is a legacy OS. https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/10/microsoft-ends-windows-7-security-updates/

I am very satisfied with the efficiency of uBlock Origin Legacy when it comes to filtering and blocking unwanted content. Especially when you consider how old the original extension actually is. However, the decisive factor is the correct configuration and sensible selection of effective filter lists that are still compatible with uBlock Origin Legacy. And of course, the filters and rules you create yourself are also crucial, as they make everything even more interesting and effective. If the user proceeds in this way, then the combination of PBCF filter list and user script is the icing on the cake.

On my weak machine, these unnecessary connections do have an impact to my CPU and are counterproductive for smoother browsing. So, I am glad to have got rid of them.

No need to add any firewall rules, it's not a routable address. I did not add any specific rules. In Windows 10 Firewall Control, Thorium is restricted to the standard web browser zone as all other browsers, too. The connection to the posted address was not allowed in this zone. Therefore, it was blocked automatically. No more, no less.

Wow! Is this thread here about hardware? And performance comparisons between Win XP and Win 10? The answer is crystal clear: Definitely not! This thread should actually provide information about the Thorium browser. Thus, the last 7 posts are therefore completely off-topic. The reader will not learn anything worth knowing about Thorium here. No matter how you feel about this browser.

When uBlock Origin is installed, it controls the preloading of websites. You do not have to disable uBlock Origin to control this feature again, you can simply enable the option "Disable pre-fetching" in uBO's dashboard page "Settings" as already mentioned by @Dixel.

By any chance, no PAE patch?

I'm not sure I understand, you force the PC off to prevent the long Supermium startup you wrote about? Why not just wait and/or kill it with the task manager?

Aero is not possible with neither XP nor Win10 drivers.

In the case of https://www.tomsguide.com/, I have to agree with you. It really looks like a CSS issue. But in general, both, JavaScript and CSS, are the main causer for a breakage of websites. And one can't really say that one of the causers is more important than the other. At least, I do think so.

@feodor2 What kind of P4 CPU did you use for testing? My Pentium 4 Northwood CPU is equipped with the SSE2 instruction set at maximum. What is yours? I'm asking you this for a clear reason. The P4 Prescott CPU, for example, was introduced in 2004, and it already has the SSE3 instruction set. Just an idea!

With our without HPET, yes, a bit faster start, like Dave wrote. But I'm not on a single core. Those on a single core would've seen a faster startup.

Thanks! I will test this flag.

--disable-highres-timer speeds up considerably.

I think you posted in the wrong thread. This is about @roytam1's browsers and not Supermium. There are no Chrome processes here, fortunately.

https://www.patreon.com/win32/about

@win32

Guess I'm lucky I'm not everyone and Pale Moon still manages all "important" sites. The latter have certainly gotten worse, though I don't care about GitHub, X (Twitter), Facebook, Instagram, DRM encumbered media...pretty much don't care for 99% of the internet. Don't care about Firefox either, it has become a (buggy) monstrosity I don't recognize anymore and I have no time nor interest for seeking workarounds for stuff that recently worked as expected. I've set it up quite some time ago for the family member, assuming it will be "safer" option than Pale Moon...well that was a mistake, Firefox doesn't play videos properly anymore on a humble 5 years old laptop with Intel HD 610, it either lags and the sound is screwed up (with HW acceleration) or it lags and the sound is OK (without HW acceleration). Put Pale Moon on it and it's been smooth sailing ever since.

QUIC via UDP works as a direct connection, including bypassing VPN. Those IPs Chrome pings at the start is only what you see, and only the tip of the iceberg. Most firewalls (to this date) don't know how to deal with QUIC's UDP connections, QUIC was meant and developed to pass through firewalls unnoticed. There is a topic regarding those sneaky connections. https://msfn.org/board/topic/186094-google-quic-is-vulnerable-to-cyber-criminal-activity-creates-a-‘black-hole’-that-hackers-can-exploit/

Oh, just found this! It's indeed Google tracking. Someone even asked ChatGPT. "The sca_esv parameter is a piece of data in the URL that's likely internal to Google's system for tracking, sorting, or customizing search results. URL parameters like these are often used for various purposes including analytics, session identification, and to tweak the behaviour of the search. " "Asking ChatGPT to brainstorm what sca and esv could stand for in the context of a Google search:" https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/172215/google-videos-search-sca-esv-query-parameter-possible-tracking

Saying they don't, in any perceptible way, would be a waste of breath, wouldn't it? Right! And the reason is crystal clear. On my machine, they definitely do. Otherwise, I wouldn't write something like that. Besides that, I don't like connections that have not been authorised by me.

Usually, I do not use any Chrome or Chromium browsers under Windows XP. My daily drivers under Windows XP are New Moon 28, Mypal 68 and Serpent 52. And there is no such behaviour.

As I already mentioned in my Antimalware thread, Windows 10 Firewall Control is great and is doing a perfect job in controlling all system and application connections like, for example, Thorium.

As Alex is quite openly stating publicly that he's using code from Supermium, not trying to do it behind Win32ss's back, I would have thought that Win32ss would have done something about it by now if they objected, even if only by initially asking Alex nicely to stop doing it!

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Process Tamer 2.14.01 can be found here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=43293.msg407794#msg407794 :OT When using Windows XP, forget about the beta version Process Tamer 2.14.01! It doesn't work properly there. Use instead Process Tamer 2.11.01 which seems to work under Windows XP as it was designed! I personally use Process Hacker and Process Lasso for many years, and it meets all my needs. :END OF OT

Process Tamer 2.14.01 can be found here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=43293.msg407794#msg407794

Yes, that's very close to what I get, thanks.

There's an older driver exist, probably more luck with that one? Sorry, I have no link to 64bit. Driver 14.51.10.64.5436 for Windows XP https://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/16818/

How to force Aero on vista RTM "the reg hacks were disabled in the final release, so as far as I know there will be no way to enable" https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/22128056/How-to-force-Aero-on-vista-RTM.html

Could you be more specific? which card, etc.

Thanks for investigating this! Here are my hardware ans OS specifications: Windows XP Professional SP3 with all POSReady updates with an Intel Pentium Northwood 2.80 GHz CPU (single core, 32 Bit), 1.5 GB SD-RAM and a NVIDIA GeForce 6200 graphic card. It is very strange that you and I often come to different results. The uBO logger does not work for you in single-process mode, but it does for me. On your P4 machine, you have no problems with loading the filter lists in multi-process mode, but I do. What's going on there? It's almost hard to believe. And where is the explanation? Something is not right at all.

Maybe it works for this too? Thank you very much! Setting dom.forms.button.standards_compliant to false did the trick. For the very first time, I was able to upload a test file from New Moon 28 to my main folder on Codeberg. I am really happy. Great find! Thanks again!

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