rikgale Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 (edited) Nice but remember it will come with and el-cheapo PSU, which you ideally need to aviod like the plagueEDIT: beaten to it! Edited July 23, 2005 by rikgale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Nice but remember it will come with and el-cheapo PSU, which you ideally need to aviod like the plagueEDIT: beaten to it!Take it you've suffered the experience first hand, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireware Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 I'm going to need a lot of help with building this.The last pc i built was a p120!is there a number i can call to get some help if i need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Yea, it's called Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtwarrior Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 (edited) What are your thoughts on a samsung HDPowmax case and power supply? Edited July 23, 2005 by dirtwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Power Supplies: Enermax, Antec and PC Power & CoolingMotherboards: ASUSMemory: Kingston, CorsairVideo Cards: ASUSLAN Cards: 3Com, LinksysHard Drives: Western Digital & SeagateOptical Drives: PioneerAcceptable cheaper alternatives:Power Supplies: CoolmaxMotherboards: FoxconnMemory: Micron, InfineonVideo Cards: Leadtek, PowerColorLAN Cards: SMCHard Drives: NoneOptical Drives: LGOutside of that, I don't really trust anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssmokee Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 What are your thoughts on a samsung HDPowmax case and power supply?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Powmax power supplies are low quality, and often (if not always) overstate their power output ability. Samsung hard drives are fine, just avoid models with one year warranties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtwarrior Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 OK thanx 1 more question for now, my HD when a virgin was 120 gig after I format the size went to 112 gig. OK I can do a LLF and rewrite everything back to 0 the true size still wont display even before format what can I do to get the true size back or is all lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Welcome to the world of computer marketing....A 120GB hard drive means that the hard drive contains 120,000,000,000 bytes. However, real computer sizes are calculated in base 2 (binary), not in base 10 (decimal).In other compare the following:1 Kilo in base10 = 10001 Kilo in base2 = 10241 Mega in base10 = 10000001 Mega in base2 = 10485761 Giga in base10 = 10000000001 Giga in base2 = 1073741824So if you divide 120,000,000,000 by 1073741824 you get 111.76GB of REAL hard drive space.Messed, eh? Marketing.And we haven't even dipped into the world of clusters yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamiQuazi Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 I alwaysed wondered y i only had 112 gb (estimated)... i though my FAT stole it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtwarrior Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Thanx it explains a lot I think it is just something just so companies can market an inflated value on the product. Is this legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Well, it IS false representation. But to get companies to change that would require a class action law suit, not something that would be easy to do. We'd have to get a LOT of people to want to do that and that's very hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireware Posted July 24, 2005 Author Share Posted July 24, 2005 So THATS why my 8GB Maxtor from my HP said 7.85GB. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluelight Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 (edited) I whould get SeaGate Barracuda 250GB HDDSeaGate have dataprotection system and Maxtor's discs are like a mudcrab to SeaGate, I know a guy who had a External Maxtor 300GB disc, it was totally wreck after 2 months.. And he used it very carfully..I still have SeaGate discs 12 years old working today..Don't use them much ofcause, as the need for space arises..Edit: Hmm.. I think the discs are as big as the say, but the Operating System AND most of all, the filesystem let some bits here and there to waste..NTFS takes some of the disc space I think.. To make indexing..Fat32 takes some cause it's very fat.. And there is also a diffrence in bits and stuff..One binary Kilo byte is 1024 bytes, and not 1000 bytes like Kilo stands for..I dunno how this is with HDD's but RAM memory is measured in binary..1GB RAM is 1024MB..And back to that filesystem thing again.. If you look at Properties for a folder containing 84,5MB in Windows, It will look like this:Size: 84,5 MB (88 621 101 bytes)Size on disc: 84,5 MB (88 645 632 bytes)And that size on disc is bigger because of the filesystem..And that makes the disc look smaller..So it's actualy Microsoft's fault.. 8.2 bits = 1 ByteKB = 1 kilo bytesKb = 1 kilo bits1 K = 1.0001M = 1.000.0001G = 1.000.000.0001T = 1.000.000.000.000So when you say: Buy one kilo sugar!Then you actualy say: Buy 1000 sugar grains..You have to add grams.. 1Kg sugar = 1000 gram's of sugar..Whouldnt it be cool walking in a store asking for 1 Terra grams of sugar? It also may be that the size is a bit smaller from companies..I don't know, but I know the filesystem is stealing some.. _____________________________________I also need some help.. Check out my post here! Edited July 24, 2005 by Bluelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Edit: Hmm.. I think the discs are as big as the say, but the Operating System AND most of all, the filesystem let some bits here and there to waste..NTFS takes some of the disc space I think.. To make indexing..Fat32 takes some cause it's very fat.. 8.2 bits = 1 ByteKB = 1 kilo bytesKb = 1 kilo bits1 K = 1.0001M = 1.000.0001G = 1.000.000.0001T = 1.000.000.000.000False. Any portions of the hard drive that are used for such purposes as Indexing are accounted withing the formatted size of the hard drive. Also, the difference between FAT32 and NTFS can be summed up as a difference in cluster sizes and cluster management, also NTFS supports file indexing, compression, encryption and security.The difference in data size and size on disk is that the actual data size is the actual byte by byte total of all the data on the hard drive, whilst the size on disk is the total amount of clusters in use for storing that data.Also, there are 8 bits per byte, not 8.2.1 Bit is a equal to 1 or 0.8 consecutive bits in binary equal to one byte, which can be defined as 0 to 255 in decimal.1024 Bytes = 1 KiloByte1048576 Bytes = 1 MegaByte1073741824 Bytes = 1 GigaByte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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