Firefox - a promised land of privacy that never happened. Look elsewhere unless you're a coder with the ability to stop the enormous data mining.

[Sampei.Nihira]

7 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

BINGO!

That's my point.  Browser Wars are irrelevant "these days".  It is the add-ons we use that truly look out for our privacy.  Be it uBlock, be it uMatrix, be it Proxomitron - the point is, we have to jump through hoops (plural).

Yes,we have to jump through hoops.

It takes me about a week of my spare time to make Firefox much more privacy friendly than the default.
Because I change the various settings manually.
Even the 3 policies that I put in I put in manually.

If you ask me between my Edge and Firefox which is the most secure I tell you Edge,and in fact it is my default browser.

But the most privacy friendly (between the two of course) is Firefox.

Edited September 9 by Sampei.Nihira

[Karla Sleutel]

11 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

I will only send it via MP.

Military Police?

[Sampei.Nihira]

42 minutes ago, Karla Sleutel said:

Not true, as usual. 

"Was NOT able to find a way to disable this, even in about:config."

"Automatic connections to some websites you've visited, including their trackers

Websites you visit most often are added to the New Tab panel. When you then open a new tab, Firefox will sometimes make requests to the sites in there, including some of their trackers. I haven't determined how it works yet. Sometimes it doesn't make the requests at all; other times you end up with hundreds of images, scripts, trackers, etc. loaded simply because you opened a new tab (without visiting any website explicitly). Was NOT able to find a way to disable this, even in about:config."

Original article.

 

This is my new tab:

I am answering this question ONLY for other MSFN members who are not you/your.

Are you able to do the same without extensions?
If you are not able,the usual advice, study.

Edited September 9 by Sampei.Nihira

[Karla Sleutel]

11 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

This is my new tab:

I am answering this question ONLY for other MSFN members who are not you/your.

Are you able to do the same without extensions?
If you are not able,the usual advice, study.

It's not what I asked, it's irrelevant.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, Karla Sleutel said:

When you then open a new tab, Firefox will sometimes make requests to the sites in there, including some of their trackers.

 

16 minutes ago, Karla Sleutel said:

It's not what I asked, it's irrelevant.

 

I'd say that it is relevant.  If you use an extension that REPLACES the browser's built-in "new tab", then that built-in "new tab" is never opened.

If it is never opened, then it cannot make those telemetry/tracker connections.

Of course, one has to be cautious and test that extension.  Doesn't do any good if you prevent the built-in "new tab" telemetry if all you did was REPLACE it with telemetry for the EXTENSION.

To me, just allowing that extension to "check for updates" is a FORM OF TELEMETRY.

Edited September 9 by NotHereToPlayGames

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, Karla Sleutel said:

Original article.

And there is also this (Ungoogled Chromium) (does not phone-home!) and this (Tor Browser) (phones home!) [again, ANONYMOUS DATA is still a privacy breach].

That web site (https://privacyworld.neocities.org/guides/) is a good resource and is always fun to read the Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, Pale Moon, and SRWare Iron reports.

[Sampei.Nihira]

29 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

 

 

I'd say that it is relevant.  If you use an extension that REPLACES the browser's built-in "new tab", then that built-in "new tab" is never opened.

If it is never opened, then it cannot make those telemetry/tracker connections.

Of course, one has to be cautious and test that extension.  Doesn't do any good if you prevent the built-in "new tab" telemetry if all you did was REPLACE it with telemetry for the EXTENSION.

To me, just allowing that extension to "check for updates" is a FORM OF TELEMETRY.

In Edge I am forced to use an extension.
With Firefox,no extension.

 

 

Edited September 9 by Sampei.Nihira

[Karla Sleutel]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

 

 

I'd say that it is relevant.  If you use an extension that REPLACES the browser's built-in "new tab", then that built-in "new tab" is never opened.

If it is never opened, then it cannot make those telemetry/tracker connections.

Of course, one has to be cautious and test that extension.  Doesn't do any good if you prevent the built-in "new tab" telemetry if all you did was REPLACE it with telemetry for the EXTENSION.

To me, just allowing that extension to "check for updates" is a FORM OF TELEMETRY.

I said irrelevant to my question, not the whole topic. @Sampei.Nihira simply avoids answering by switching the topic.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186450-firefox-a-promised-land-of-privacy-that-never-happened-look-elsewhere-unless-youre-a-coder-with-the-ability-to-stop-the-enormous-data-mining/?do=findComment&comment=1272456

[Sampei.Nihira]

It is not exact I avoid giving you information that you do not know and can know from me.

[Karla Sleutel]

11 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

It is not exact I avoid giving you information that you do not know and can know from me.

It's against forum rules, not to mention common sense and politeness.

And to me, also looks like you simply don't know yourself but making pompous announcements based on nothing.

[Karla Sleutel]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I'd say that it is relevant.  If you use an extension that REPLACES the browser's built-in "new tab", then that built-in "new tab" is never opened.

@Sampei.Nihira wrote he could do "everything that was written on the previous page in this thread about privacy is removable from about:config",

It assumes without using extensions, so yeah, it's still irrelevant.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186450-firefox-a-promised-land-of-privacy-that-never-happened-look-elsewhere-unless-youre-a-coder-with-the-ability-to-stop-the-enormous-data-mining/?do=findComment&comment=1272442

 

[UCyborg]

12 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

If you want to make a comparison tween the programming languages code of Firefox and r3dfox:

https://4e6.github.io/firefox-lang-stats/

OK, but we'd need to see another link targeting @K4sum1's repo. And I'd be more comfortable running a local program that would count lines of code on the cloned repo, just in case, if we can't rely on GitHub itself to do the counting. I did try one in the past, but that was over a decade ago and on a much smaller codebase, a highschool project actually, a toy basically.

In any case, throwing out 4 million lines of Rust code would not be a small feat I think.

12 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

For example, the code of Ungoogled Chromium is almost entirely in Python that of Supermium/Thorium is not.

Ungoogled Chromium repo is just hosting patches to apply to Chromium's code and some utilities written in Python, but there's no code in there from which to build actual web browser.

[Dixel]

On 9/9/2024 at 2:16 AM, Sampei.Nihira said:

It is more of a consideration.

Anything that bothers me on the privacy side I have removed from about:config + Policies + uBlock Origin (AdGuard MV3).

For me it is easy,maybe for many MSFN members it is difficult.
Look at this test:

A few MSFN members manage,I hope, to partially block js in order to obscure filter lists.
 

Yay! You finally fixed your attachments problems! Congrats! But this image doesn't prove anything at all, it doesn't prove that FF is "user friendly" and "secure".

Any first grader can just block the elements of javascript on that page to get this result.

 

 

[Sampei.Nihira]

9 hours ago, UCyborg said:

OK, but we'd need to see another link targeting @K4sum1's repo. And I'd be more comfortable running a local program that would count lines of code on the cloned repo, just in case, if we can't rely on GitHub itself to do the counting. I did try one in the past, but that was over a decade ago and on a much smaller codebase, a highschool project actually, a toy basically.

In any case, throwing out 4 million lines of Rust code would not be a small feat I think.

Ungoogled Chromium repo is just hosting patches to apply to Chromium's code and some utilities written in Python, but there's no code in there from which to build actual web browser.

Yes,of course you would need to ask @K4sum1 why Rust is not in the languages.
And also why the percentages in the other languages is different than in Firefox.

[K4sum1]

idk github is funny

I don't think my modifications are extensive enough to modify any real code count by more than like 0.1%