NoelC Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 For what it's worth, I've seen an 8% slowdown from the latest Microsoft-promoted Windows Updates (i.e., what you get when you run Windows Update) on both Windows 8.1 and 7 systems. And that's with the Meltdown and Spectre mitigations DISABLED. I'm thinking December 2017 was a good stopping point for cumulative Windows 8.1 updates. I believe I'll be looking at your patch list here a lot more carefully in the near future. -Noel
Jody Thornton Posted June 17, 2018 Author Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, NoelC said: For what it's worth, I've seen an 8% slowdown from the latest Microsoft-promoted Windows Updates (i.e., what you get when you run Windows Update) on both Windows 8.1 and 7 systems. And that's with the Meltdown and Spectre mitigations DISABLED. I'm thinking December 2017 was a good stopping point for cumulative Windows 8.1 updates. I believe I'll be looking at your patch list here a lot more carefully in the near future. -Noel See that sort of news worries me. I've gone back to Vista for a bit on this old system I'm on. In the last couple of months, I've noticed slower browsing, but that could the mobility-first developed sites overwhelming my older system on New Moon (Roytam1's Pale Moon build). I really hope that Server 2012 updates for the next five years could provide some benefit to Windows 8 (not 8.1). I'll have to plug my nose I guess. I'm waiting to do my new install on my newish PC, until I get all of these particulars figured out. Edited June 18, 2018 by Jody Thornton
greenhillmaniac Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 And finally, the often forgetten Windows 8.0 Replaced Monthly Rollup with KB4284855; Replaced the Flash Player update with KB4287903; Replaced the Internet Explorer cumulative update with KB4230450; Added the previous month's Security Only update, KB4284846. Have a good onehttps://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ
greenhillmaniac Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Small repository update. Just happened to stumble upon KB3118401 for x86 Windows 8.0. If you didn't know, this update only appeared for Server 2012 on the Microsoft Catalog, which is only x64, but on the mydigitallife forums someone linked to a Microsoft Download Center link with a zip containg the update in x86 and ARM form. This update is needed to install Visual Studio 2015 and 2017 redistributables, since it includes Windows 10's Universal C Runtime (the only backport Microsoft ever did since 10's release I do believe). The update is in the same place as its x64 counterpart, in the "Extras" folder. https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ BTW - the Microsoft Download Center link for the interested: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=50410 Edited June 20, 2018 by greenhillmaniac
Jody Thornton Posted July 11, 2018 Author Posted July 11, 2018 I have downloaded the latest Server 2012 updates, and although I won't be installing this month, here's the rundown: Security Only (KB4338820) IE10 (KB4339093) .NET v4.52 Security Only (KB4338601) Flash (KB4338832) Cheers All! :)
Jody Thornton Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 Just a heads up that Microsoft reissued and replaced most July 11 updates yesterday, due to functional issues and BSODs. I replaced mine. (I've repeated this post under the Vista/2008 Section)
Jody Thornton Posted August 14, 2018 Author Posted August 14, 2018 So I've downloaded (but not installed) the Security-Only Update KB4343896, the Flash Update KB4343902, the IE10 Cumulative Update KB4343205, and the .NET Security-Only Update KB4344172. Next month I'll be migrating my data over to my newer HP xw8600 PC with a fresh installation of Windows 8, but I have to admit, upon hearing @NoelC and his observations on post December 2017 updates, I'm concerned about installing them (and by that I mean even non-Spectre and non-Meltdown updates). Also there are indications that my skipping a month of updates (in order to bypass those mitigations) may impair stability. so I have a lot to consider.
NoelC Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 I've been avoiding every update except the cumulative Internet Explorer security updates past December myself. My system is super stable at this point, running continuously all the time between software installs that require reboots. The way I figure it, it can only go downhill from here. I have never thought that mixing and matching system updates seemed like a good idea, and even putting the IE updates in (without all the others) always worries me a little bit, since it is more a part of the system than it sounds like it should be. So far I haven't had any problems with this strategy, though. And, without the performance robbing degradations my system still performs right up there with brand new high-end workstations, based on my comparing notes with some folks who have put together Xeon systems recently. -Noel 1
greenhillmaniac Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) After a brief hiatus, I bring you July and August's updates to the repository. Do note that these two month's Monthly Rollups and Security Only updates seem to only fix CPU vulnerabilities, both on AMD and Intel chips, which could lead to performance loss? (Haven't actually tested) Replaced Monthly Rollup with KB4343901; Replaced the Flash Player update with KB4343902; Replaced the Internet Explorer cumulative update with KB4343205; Added July and August Security Only updates, KB4338820 and KB4343896, respectively; Replaced .NET Framework Security and Quality Rollup updates with: KB4344150 for .NET 3.5.1; KB4344148 for .NET 4.5.2 and KB4344144 for .NET 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1 and 4.7.2; Added August .NET Security Only updates: KB4344175 for .NET 3.5.1; KB4344172 for .NET 4.5.2 and KB4344165 for .NET 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1 and 4.7.2. That's a lot of .NET versions Anyway, to clear any confusion: Monthly Rollup and Flash Player updates are in the root folder of their respective CPU architecture types (for example, x64 or x86); Security Only and Internet Explorer cumulative updates are in the "Security Only Updates (Post September 2016)" folder; Security and Quality Rollups for .NET Framework are in the "NET Security and Quality Rollup" folder; Security Only .NET Framework updates are in the "NET Security Only Updates" folder. As you know, if you install Monthy Rollups you do not need to install the Internet Explorer cumulative update each month, because they're already included in the update. Same goes for the Security Only updates. The same deal applies to .NET Security and Quality Rollups where you do not need to install the Security Only updates if you install the former. Happy patching! https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ Edited August 19, 2018 by greenhillmaniac Added download link
Jody Thornton Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/15/2018 at 4:43 PM, NoelC said: I've been avoiding every update except the cumulative Internet Explorer security updates past December myself. My system is super stable at this point, running continuously all the time between software installs that require reboots. The way I figure it, it can only go downhill from here. I have never thought that mixing and matching system updates seemed like a good idea, and even putting the IE updates in (without all the others) always worries me a little bit, since it is more a part of the system than it sounds like it should be. So far I haven't had any problems with this strategy, though. And, without the performance robbing degradations my system still performs right up there with brand new high-end workstations, based on my comparing notes with some folks who have put together Xeon systems recently. -Noel So @NoelC, I want to review my latest "planned" strategy with you for my upcoming Windows 8 installation. Anyone can chime in of course. and I've eluded to this plan in previous posts already (but here goes) First I will install Windows 8 Pro x64 I will install the December 2017 Security-Only update, then November, then October ..... all the way back to February 2016. Superseded updates will not install. I will install the September 2018 IE10 update, then August, then July ..... all the way back to February 2016. Superseded updates will not install. Next I will scan for Windows Updates, and my hope is that ONLY Windows updates that haven't been superseded by Server 2012 (post January 2016) patches, will be made available. I'll install those updates only. Does anyone think I'm asking for a boat-load of instability here? The final outcome is to update Windows 8 to a timeline of December 2017 (except for IE10 and Flash which will be current)
Jody Thornton Posted September 11, 2018 Author Posted September 11, 2018 Well I have downloaded (but not installed) the latest Windows 8 Updates (ahem! Server 2012 patches) KB4457140 KB4457426 (IE10) KB4457146 (Flash) KB4457029 (.NET 4.5.2) Next week, I switch back to Windows 8, but I'll only be installing the IE 10 update from this list.
greenhillmaniac Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 Just a quick update on the repository, as I've decided to reorganize the folder structure so it would make a bit more sense and would be easier to organize (I mean, the 2016 regular updates were still in the root of the repository and the .NET updates are all over the place). Taking cues from my Vista update repository, I've decided to go with the following folder structure: Each .NET Framework version now gets its own folder with everything associated with it on it (includes all of the updates from 2016 pre update rollups and post) Pre Monthly Rollup updates (from February 2016 until September 2016) are now all accumulated into one folder (I find it easier to install them that way) Tell me what you think of it... I think it's better organized and easier to use when fresh installing 8.0. Also, added .NET Framework 4.7.2 installer in the "Extras" folder for anybody who wishes to stay up to date (yes, it installs without any modification on 8.0). Happy patching https://mega.nz/#F!ExhDEbDA!pUhzXKVp5-hgzvylW_btfQ
Jody Thornton Posted October 9, 2018 Author Posted October 9, 2018 For Rocktober! I've installed the IE10 update (KB4462949). I also downloaded the Security-Only Update (KB4462931) and the .NET v4.5.2 update (KB4457018), but I'm not installing them. I have my installation of Windows 8 set to a November 2017 timeline. I was concerned about the integrity of the December 2017 update because of rebooting issues, so I held off for now. (perhaps that's fixed now.) Time to reboot.
erpdude8 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) for this month for my relative's old Win8.0 32bit/x86 computer (don't ask why I'm using a 32bit version of Win8 - I have an old Intel D101GGC board on that PC using an Intel Pentium D cpu with 2gigs of RAM), I'll apply the KB4462929 monthly rollup (I'm more bold & daring than you Jody since I'm not afraid to install any recent monthly rollups) as well as the newest flash update and will skip the .NET 4.6.2 security updates for October Edited October 24, 2018 by erpdude8
Jody Thornton Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 5:05 PM, erpdude8 said: for this month for my relative's old Win8.0 32bit/x86 computer (don't ask why I'm using a 32bit version of Win8 - I have an old Intel D101GGC board on that PC using an Intel Pentium D cpu with 2gigs of RAM), I'll apply the KB4462929 monthly rollup (I'm more bold & daring than you Jody since I'm not afraid to install any recent monthly rollups) as well as the newest flash update and will skip the .NET 4.6.2 security updates for October Well it's nothing to do with bold and daring. I wouldn't install any rollups now, only because the Spectre and Meltdown mitigations are integrated. I really wonder if @NoelC's 8% slowdowns are because he's only disabled the mitigations, but they're still installed when being disabled. Not sure. I want to learn some day that I'll be able to utilize all of the security-only updates up until the current month, only skipping the April 2018 update (or whichever one has the mitigations), with virtually no performance hit. I'm not sure how I'll find out or confirm that, but we'll see.
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