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Windows 10 - Deeper Impressions


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13 hours ago, jaclaz said:

And now, "paid browsing" :w00t::ph34r:

Those not in the US might need to use a US based proxy:

https://www.bing.com/explore/rewards-browse-and-earn
 

The combination of Edge and Bing is so successful that the good MS guys need to "bribe" users in order to have them use the new wonderful browser and search engine ... :whistle:

jaclaz

 

I wonder if you can cheat this by using a Win10/Edge UA string on any browser and OS.

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3 hours ago, rn10950 said:

I wonder if you can cheat this by using a Win10/Edge UA string on any browser and OS.

Naaah, you also need to have the active thingy in the tray (or whatever it is called now), it's the OS that automagically reports (via telemetry) usage to MS servers.

Now, on other (but still same ;)) news, you won't be able to call people on SkyPE till September (maybe), at the same time when all the people currently using in their work/profession a USB Camera will be able to go back to work :w00t::ph34r: .

This is serious, apart the considerable number of people using a webcam to videochat, there are a number of people that actually use them in their work and quite a few of them had to go back to previous version of Windows 10 (if within the very limited 10 days timeframe) or re-install:

The actual explanation by a good guy from MS here:
https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/9d6a8704-764f-46df-a41c-8e9d84f7f0f3/mjpg-encoded-media-type-is-not-available-for-usbuvc-webcameras-after-windows-10-version-1607-os?forum=mediafoundationdevelopment

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/9d6a8704-764f-46df-a41c-8e9d84f7f0f3/mjpg-encoded-media-type-is-not-available-for-usbuvc-webcameras-after-windows-10-version-1607-os?forum=mediafoundationdevelopment#fc5c100a-c661-43cd-9540-bb4591e3d1fe

is "appalling", it is clear how they "meant good" but through the usual miscommunication they managed to poorly test the feature, the seriousness - bedsides the specific issue - is that (shouldn't it have been already clear enough) the Insider program is demonstrated clearly as being a (mismanaged) joke.

While they think (with calm) how to correct the problem giving a tentative "vague" September as deadline for MJPEG and "some time later" for H264, seemingly a number of setups can be corrected by a small Registry edit:
 

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HKLM\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform, add DWORD “EnableFrameServerMode” and set to 0

but it is unclear if it workarounds the issue generally or just in a few specific cases.

BTW, the new "framework" seemingly worsens the "quality" of captured video stream anyway (besides not working), so a few posters on that thread that make software for video diagnosis and postprocessing are (justly) really mad at MS.

jaclaz

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It looks like it may still in fact be possible to disable Cortana completely, it's "just" that the UI for doing that has been removed

Without a UI to control a thing, why would they maintain support for making the thing controllable?

-Noel

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20 hours ago, jaclaz said:

@NoelC

As a developer, you CANNOT miss this opportunity:
https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-hololens/en-us/commercial-suite

https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-hololens/en-us/development-edition

Only 3,000 bucks, a steal...

jaclaz
 

Trouble is, their paying me 3,000 dollars would probably only cover the time it takes to unbox the thing.  To get me to actually install Windows 10 and use it would take considerably more.  "Steal" definitely applies (w/regard to data) though.

-Noel

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Mike M - Windows Camera Team wrote:

It was important for us to enable concurrent camera access, so Windows Hello, Microsoft Hololens and other products and features could reliably assume that the camera would be available at any given time, regardless of what other applications may be accessing it.

...

So yes, MJPEG and H.264 being decoded / filtered out is the result of a set of features we needed to implement, and this behavior was planned, designed, tested, and flighted out to our partners and Windows Insiders around the end of January of this year.  We worked with partners to make sure their applications continued to function throughout this change, but we have done a poor job communicating this change out to you guys. We dropped the ball on that front, so I’d like to offer my apologies to you all. We’re working on getting better documentation out, to help answer any questions you may have. Of course, you can always reach out to us via these forums for specific issues, as we monitor them regularly, or file feedback using the Feedback Hub. We’re constantly collecting feedback on this and other issues, so we can better understand the impact on our application developers and customers.

(Emphasis mine)

6 hours ago, jaclaz said:

 it is clear how they "meant good" but through the usual miscommunication they managed to poorly test the feature, the seriousness - bedsides the specific issue - is that (shouldn't it have been already clear enough) the Insider program is demonstrated clearly as being a (mismanaged) joke.

Yeah, and they haven't learned a bit from that.  In later posts did you notice how Mike M says they have to "Flight" the H.264 changes through the insider program to make sure the missing functionality is put back correctly?

Expanding on your statement...  Beyond their mistake in thinking they could rely on the insider program to tell them all about every customer issue they would ever imagine to encounter (just think how ridiculous that sounds), note how the fundamental meaning of "meant good" is being changed...  Now it implies "meant good for Microsoft".  Even though he is trying to write professionally to a high-level audience, Mike M sure uses the term "we" quite a bit.  They actually think they own all Windows developers.

Almost everything nowadays can have "...for Microsoft" added and the world makes a lot more sense.  When did that become okay?

So...  My understanding is that they inserted the new (botched design) OS layer between hardware and software so as to be able to ensure the data from the camera would be available to the OS and any other software package that wants to sample it at any time.  Do people really want some unspecified group of "other products and features" watching them through their camera full-time?

-Noel

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Someone having unfortunately his/her webcam botched by the good MS camera guys (and thus prevented from videochatting with friends) may decide to connect a Kindle PaperWhite to get some e-books to read ...

... no, wait :w00t::

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance/plugging-in-kindle-is-crashing-windows-10-after/5db0d867-0822-4512-919e-3d7786353f95?auth=1

:whistle:

jaclaz

P.S.: Somehow it must be noted how the affected webcams (besides many more make/models) are  among the most common Logitech ones, and as well a Kindle PaperWhite is not exactly "exotic, rare" hardware.



 

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Yes, but who needs SVT testers anyway?  They're SO expensive to keep employed, and all they do is cause the precious dear engineers programmers trouble.

-Noel

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On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Tripredacus said:

For some reason your post reminds me of this guy:

What is funny is that while it may be possible to do all sorts of things in a motion/voice based system (and surely more in the future) you can be assured that whoever made that environment spent hours on a keyboard!

Bummer, I've tried to watch this half a dozen times since Wednesday and I keep getting "An error occurred, Please try again later." Hey YouTube, how much later??

--JorgeA

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11 hours ago, jaclaz said:

The actual explanation by a good guy from MS here:

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/9d6a8704-764f-46df-a41c-8e9d84f7f0f3/mjpg-encoded-media-type-is-not-available-for-usbuvc-webcameras-after-windows-10-version-1607-os?forum=mediafoundationdevelopment

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/9d6a8704-764f-46df-a41c-8e9d84f7f0f3/mjpg-encoded-media-type-is-not-available-for-usbuvc-webcameras-after-windows-10-version-1607-os?forum=mediafoundationdevelopment#fc5c100a-c661-43cd-9540-bb4591e3d1fe

is "appalling", it is clear how they "meant good" but through the usual miscommunication they managed to poorly test the feature, the seriousness - bedsides the specific issue - is that (shouldn't it have been already clear enough) the Insider program is demonstrated clearly as being a (mismanaged) joke.

[...]

BTW, the new "framework" seemingly worsens the "quality" of captured video stream anyway (besides not working), so a few posters on that thread that make software for video diagnosis and postprocessing are (justly) really mad at MS.

[emphasis added]

This is just mind-boggling. How many things will they break and how many people will they have to p*ss off before they get a clue that the new Windows Update model is not working?

--JorgeA

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Here's one of the best analogies I've come across to explain why it doesn't make sense to compare snooping by other tech companies to snooping by Microsoft:

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Yeah this is what I hear all over the place “Google and Facebook do it tooooooo and nobody complains!!!!” The difference is that Google and Facebook are not what makes your computer tick, they are choices. Kinda like when you hop in your car and decide to seek a prostitute on Google Road or Facebook Alley, the choice is yours. With Windows 10, your car is the prostitute. You have no choice.

--JorgeA

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And now for the funniest statement to date by a Microsoft apologist (quote begins at 22:29):

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Customizing your Anniversary Update, there's lots of way to get started. The one thing Microsoft has done with Windows 10 that has been very impressive, is its customization level. The ability to turn off transparency, to turn it back on, to have custom colors, to use your accent color, to have custom desktop backgrounds and lock screens and all kinds of stuff like that... So it gives you tremendous amounts of flexibility to customize the system the way you want it, the way you want it to work.

:huh:

:o

:D:D

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

rofl2.GIF

--JorgeA

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8 hours ago, NoelC said:

Without a UI to control a thing, why would they maintain support for making the thing controllable?

-Noel

It appears to be a "hidden" control now, as opposed to a removed control.

Firefox has done that sort of thing, too. They used to have a check-box to turn off Javascript in the settings UI; they removed that box but you can still turn off Javascript in "about:config".

Needless to say, I'd rather have a visible setting so that the user doesn't need to be an uber-geek in order to modify the software to suit his policy preferences.

--JorgeA

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2 hours ago, NoelC said:

Mark my words, they'll remove the ability to disable it after claiming telemetry showed most people didn't turn it off.

-Noel

Exactly, it's a catch-22. User turns telemetry off, since telemetry is disabled, no data is being sent to MS about telemetry being disabled, MS doesn't see any data regarding telemetry being disabled, MS removes option to disable telemetry.

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17 hours ago, JorgeA said:

... you hop in your car and decide to seek a prostitute on Google Road or Facebook Alley, the choice is yours. With Windows 10, your car is the prostitute. You have no choice.

^ Epic.

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