USB stick issue

[vinifera]

I have an USB 2.0 stick (unknown brand), 8 GB capacity

formated to NTFS

it works fine, until it tries to copy last few bytes of any file

like so:

at this point when it comes to 5 or 1 second to complete

it waits 30 seconds, sometime up to 1 minute and does nothing, just waiting and waiting

then completes the copy/move

I scanned it with windows check disk and nothing bad was shown

driver is generic by winOS (7)

what could be the problem ?

Edited March 4, 2014 by vinifera

[submix8c]

Two things to note:

- A Copy/Move operation isn't done directly to the target - your TEMP folder is used for intermediate transfer

- Caching -may- have something to do with it - see following two links

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/10392-write-caching-enable-disable.html

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/04/write-caching-for-usb-devices-in-windows-just-dont-bother/

[tain]

Not sure if serious...

[vinifera]

submix8c

thing is that only that USB stick has issues with this

the others (I have 4 total) I have do not

Not sure if serious...

why not ?

Edited March 4, 2014 by vinifera

[tain]

Your image contains questionable language. High probably that you are trolling.

[vinifera]

what ? "butt plug" ?

I call all my usb-sticks funny names

Edited March 4, 2014 by vinifera

[jaclaz]

Maybe it needs to be carefully cleaned after a too literal use of the device.

Seriously now, it sounds like a controller issue of some kind.

I personally would try to "zap" the thingy (let's call it "low level formatting") with it's manufacturer tool (where available).

Normally these softwares do have also a "testing" provision (it is well possible that the issue is within the actual memory chips and not in the controller/settings).

Start by identifying the actual device and the controller in it:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=it&ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.usbdev.ru/files/&usg=ALkJrhh0pb9R-yf6Uk2SVs1qrHLBHeb4YA

It is possible that one or the other of the three "main" tools (CheckUDisk, ChipEasy, ChipGenius) will provide different/wrong information, so I recommend to run all three of them and compare results.

jaclaz

[tain]

what ? "butt plug" ?

I call all my usb-sticks funny names

I'd be interested to hear more of them, if they are suitable for MSFN.

[vinifera]

I personally would try to "zap" the thingy (let's call it "low level formatting") with it's manufacturer tool (where available).

yeh it identified itself as Toshiba something, but their web is in some freakish chinese

could it be because it is in NTFS and not usualy FAT32 ?

what ? "butt plug" ?

I call all my usb-sticks funny names

I'd be interested to hear more of them, if they are suitable for MSFN.

you decide lol ...

so this one is "Butt Plug", another is "Orgasmatron", another is "Stix", last one is "Stick it"

[jaclaz]

yeh it identified itself as Toshiba something, but their web is in some freakish chinese

could it be because it is in NTFS and not usualy FAT32 ?

No and no (and no ).

Meaning that there exist NOT AFAIK any Toshiba USB stick controller (but Toshiba memory chips are often used) and that the idea was that you ran th etools and posted their output (so that I can help you find the right production tool on some "terrifying" Russian , not "freakish" Chinese pages ) and no, the NTFS is not an issue in itself, though depending on a few settings in the actual OS the filesystem journaling features may accelerate flash wear.

jaclaz

[vinifera]

oh okay:

Chip Genius

Description: [G:]USB Mass Storage Device(USB DISK 2.0)
Device Type: Mass Storage Device

Protocal Version: USB 2.00
Current Speed: High Speed
Max Current: 200mA

USB Device ID: VID = 13FE PID = 3D00
Serial Number: 1C6F653432A77B4100000169

Device Name: USB DISK 2.0
Device Revision: 0100

Product Model: USB DISK 2.0
Product Revision: PMAP

Chip Vendor: Phison
Chip Part-Number: PS2251-60(PS2260) - F/W 02.A.53 [2010-12-09]
Flash ID Code: 98CEA882 - Toshiba [TLC]

Tools on web: http://dl.mydigit.net/special/up/phison.html

ChipEasy

Logical drive : G:\ Capacity: 7.2G
Device ID : VID = 13FE PID = 3D00
Device SN : 1C6F653432A77B4100000169
Device version : PMAP

Device vendor :
Device model : USB DISK 2.0
Protocol : USB2.0
Max power : 200mA

Partition type : NTFS Device active : OK
Aligned state : 1024 KB, Have been Aligned

Controller : Phison
Controller model: PS2251-60
Firmware : 02.0A.53 FW Date: 2010.12.09

Tools : http://www.upan.cc/tools/mass/Phison/
OS Version : Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1
Update Status : The current version is the latest version!

Edited March 4, 2014 by vinifera

[dencorso]

So the controller is a Phison and the pendrive is a common garden-variety Kingston.

This may or may not have anything to do with the issue you reported but, whatever file system you use, you should abstain from using names containing spaces, like "Stick it"... you never know when some part of the OS will balk just because of that.

[jaclaz]

Good and here is the Russian related page :

http://www.usbdev.ru/files/phison/

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=it&ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.usbdev.ru/files/phison/&usg=ALkJrhhoPhdxWKyyiIz1bCLF1mWu1K82tA

What you want to try is the "Phison UPTool" and/or the "Phison MPALL", but first you should try with the "Phison Low Level Format Utility (Preformat)".

Your stick seems like using a controller:

UP20 = PS2260 = PS2251-60

jaclaz

[vinifera]

with Phison Low Level Format Utility, I get error "Low level format Failed"

with UPTool, I get error "not support IC or Flash"

Edited March 6, 2014 by vinifera

[jaclaz]

There are several versions of such tools on the given page, you may want to try with another one, but these are undocumented, complex and potentially "dangerous" tools, a report like:

with UPTool, I get error "not support IC or Flash"

makes very little sense.

Which EXACT file did you try?

HOW EXACTLY did you run it (which EXACT settings)?

What about the "MPALL"?

In any case get the "Getinfo" program GetInfo v3.8.8.2:

http://www.usbdev.ru/?wpfb_dl=119

and run it, it is a Phison specific "information gatherer" that will provide additional info.

Also read (through google translate) the actual "main page", there are a number of "suggestions", "tricks" and "what not's" that may apply to your case.

Finally, cannot say speciifically, but these utilities usually tend to work fine on XP and to have issues on Windows Vista or 7.

jaclaz

Edited March 6, 2014 by jaclaz