Dave-H

Yes, all fine for me too, apart from the ongoing Office 2010 problem of course!

Which Photo Viewer is now broken? Windows Live Photo Gallery is still working for me, if that's what you meant.

I was quite seriously told by someone to get off a forum because I was a danger to everyone on the internet because I was still using XP, and that was four years ago!

Thanks again guys! I really appreciate you all sticking with this. Here are the two images as I promised. This is how a message from Sky looks in the "Microsoft Viewer" when it finally displays after a long delay - And this is how the same message looks in Eudora's own built-in viewer, which displays it instantly - As I said earlier, if any fix or workaround results in it still looking like the second image, I will not worry one bit, as it's still perfectly readable! It's the delay that I really want to lose so I don't have to keep switching viewing modes on Eudora all the time. The Marks and Spencer e-mails are a worse problem as they look an awful scrambled mess in the Eudora viewer, but I don't get that many of them. Here too is the installation file for the Bugscreen Eudora plugin. This is the actual file that I found and downloaded to install the plugin when I was collecting up as many legacy Eudora plugins as I could find a few years ago! Cheers, Dave. Eudora Bugscreen Plugin 1.05 & Plugin Options 1.00.zip

Thanks guys. I should say at this point that I'm not too worried about how the messages actually end up looking, as long as the delay goes away. If they end up looking as they do without using the "Microsoft Viewer" option in Eudora I'll be quite happy with that! I'm not expecting them to look like they should do with the viewer working properly, as long as they're readable. When I get home tomorrow I'll post up a couple of screen grabs showing how they look with the MS Viewer on (after the long display delay) and when using Eudora's own viewer (when they display immediately). They then lose their proper formatting, but are still perfectly readable, at least in the case of the Sky ones. The Marks and Spencer ones look more of a mess, but I'm not so worried about them as I get relatively few of them. I'll zip up the Bugscreen plugin files too in case anyone still needs them.

Thanks @jumperand @heinoganda. I am away from home until tomorrow but I will post up the bugscreen files when I get back. If you'd like to examine them before that, if you download the Eudora.zip file linked to in my earlier post they are all there in the Plugins folder. Cheers, Dave.

I've just had a thought. There is a plugin for Eudora which I already use that I think might do the job here, with a bit of modification. It's called "Bugscreen". Have a look at its help file and see what you think. It's designed to strip unwanted rubbish out of incoming e-mails, and crucially, it does it as soon as they're downloaded, but before they're displayed, which is I think is exactly what we need. bugscreen.chm

Thanks, that's useful to know! Sadly it can't be the problem I was having as the only Apple software I have installed on Windows 10 is QuickTime 7 and the Software Updater that goes with it. I've never installed iTunes or iCloud. As I said earlier I eventually forced the update to 1809 manually, and so far everything seems to be OK.

Thanks @jumper! If you'd like to test with my version of Eudora, you can find it here. It's the whole program folder, less the actual mailbox files, and with my e-mail account information removed from the eudora.ini file. If the folder is copied to C:\Program Files it should work, as the program is pretty self-contained and doesn't need any registry entries. Cheers, Dave.

I tried using @jumper's experimental Eudora plugin package, but I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing with it. I already have quite a few Eudora plugins installed, including sort32.dll, which is the same as the default file in the package Plugins folder. I've tried substituting it with all six of jumper's alternative sort32.dll files, but none of them make any difference to the slow display of the Sky e-mails. BTW I have no .cpp files anywhere in Eudora, should I have? I'm not sure why a customised sort plugin would have the desired effect anyway, isn't sort32.dll just a plugin to do an A>Z sort on the text in messages, invoked by an option on the right click menu on a displayed message body? I wouldn't expect sort32.dll to change the way that they were displayed in the first place. Cheers, Dave.

Hallelujah!

I just decided to hide KB4462174 in Microsoft Update, and lo and behold, when I scanned again both KB4462157 and KB4461614 were then being offered again! I assume this is because KB4462174 actually replaces both of them. EDIT: Hmm, I hid KB4462157 and KB4461614 and all three updates were then shown as hidden as expected, but when I scanned again, then only KB4462174 was being shown as hidden! Bizarre!

I sent you a PM.

Yes, KB4462174 stops Office 2010 working as it installs a version of MSO.DLL which isn't XP compatible. This has been an ongoing problem for several months now with several Office 2010 updates. References here to the Office 2010 problem are cross-posting with this thread here. As this thread is specifically for discussing updates to the operating system itself, I suggest any further comments relating to Office 2010 are now made in the other thread.

Yes, it's now been pulled! Hopefully we'll get offered a fixed version soon.

Yes, I just saw this morning that it had gone. I'm glad they acknowledged the problem and took it down from Windows Update so quickly, but I'm surprised they're still offering it for download from the catalogue when it's obviously going to break a huge number of systems! Obviously should have been tested rather more than it was. I assume we'll see a fixed version soon.

*update.microsoft.com* is already there in config.ini in @heinoganda's latest version of HTTPSProxy. download.windowsupdate.com isn't there, but I guess perhaps it doesn't need to be. That may be why it all still worked fine for me on Microsoft Update.

Off-topic here of course, but my Office 2010 works fine now with just KB4462174 left uninstalled. All the rest of the current Office 2010 updates seem to be OK.

KB4462174 does not appear to be another Japanese calendar update fix, it's a real security fix. Is there anyone here who is using Office 2010 on a genuine POSReady installation (not a hacked XP installation) who could make an official support request to Microsoft about this, while there's still time?! Although Office 2010 is supposed to work with XP, IIRC unfortunately Microsoft's policy is that once an OS is unsupported, all applications running on it are also unsupported, so I don't think there's any use in an XP user complaining to them. If it's not working on a genuine POSReady installation though, that's a different matter, for a couple more months anyway!

Yes, it worked fine for me as normal.

Yep, that will be the one! My two hidden updates (KB4462157 and KB4461614) in Microsoft Update have gone away, so KB4462174 must have replaced them both, with yet another non-working version! MSO.DLL version 14.0.7214.5000 seems to be the last working one.

I do hope so, great job Microsoft! On top of that, Office 2010 is bricked again as well!

I've had to do that quite a few times before with updates, but only on my netbook, not on my main machine. They appear to install, but don't as they can't replace some files, and are then offered again. Thanks for the heads-up!

Thanks, actually https://www.ultrasounds.com does work for me in IE8! I have ProxHTTPSProxy running, but even without it, it still works if I dismiss the security warning message. With HTTPSProxy running, I do still have to dismiss the "mixed content" warning.

Thanks, we'll have to now wait and see what @jumpercomes up with.