Dave-H

Well FWIW I think I've now definitely confirmed the logo or something related to it as being the source of the problem. One thing which Eudora can do, which I think is quite unique, is that it allows you to edit received messages and re-save them. I opened one of the problem messages, enabled the editing function, and cut the logo image to the clipboard. I then re-saved it, and without closing it, enabled editing again and pasted the logo back in the same place. After re-saving it, it now looks exactly the same as it did before, but opens instantly, apart for a very slight delay in the logo appearing! Well I say it looks the same, but the weight of the text font seems to have changed slightly between the original and the new version. Comparing the source code on the old and new versions, it does seem quite different, so removing the logo must have removed some other code, which putting it back hasn't replaced. I've attached the two versions to see if anyone can work out what the critical difference is that's causing one to delay opening and the other not. Opening the files in IE8, the edited version opens immediately with no problem, the original opens but then displays the ActiveX security warning bar at the top. It still looks fine though, and still looks the same if I dismiss the warning bar and allow ActiveX to run. The text still looks slightly different between the two versions even in IE8. Very strange! EditedSource.htm OriginalSource.htm

Yes, that does make perfect sense. I guess whatever Eudora is trying to connect to and failing, its actually not helpforum.sky.com! When I looked into this with @heinogandaoriginally last year, I think we thought that the source of the display delay problem was actually just the header logo which is on all of the messages. It was trying to access that which was causing the delay, so I guess I'll have to try and find exactly where that's being server from. The same applied to the e-mails from Marks and Spencer.

So this line was the only apparent problem? [19:22] 000 "EOF occurred in violation of protocol (_ssl.c:600)" while trying to establish local SSL tunnel for [helpforum.sky.com:443] That has now gone away, but has made no difference to the e-mail display problem. In fact, the problem doesn't change whether HTTPSProxy is in use or not, or however it's configured when it is in use, so I guess whatever's causing it is something not related to it. Maybe the error shown above is still happening, but HTTPSProxy just isn't recording it any more as it's now bypassed for that domain. In the error message above, what does "EOF" actually mean?

I think I tried that before, but I've now tried again and the first four lines in the console quoted in my last post no longer appear. Sadly it makes no difference to how long it takes the e-mails to appear, there's no change at all! All I see in the console now is - [20:01] 004 ProxHTTPSProxyMII FrontProxy/v1.5 [WinError 10053] An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine This is logged at the moment that the e-mail message finally displays, if that's any clue! There are two sources from where the e-mails always display really slowly in Eudora, the Sky support forum, and marksandspencer.com. I occasionally get a display delay from other message sources, but these two are the worst.

@i430VX @dencorso Sorry I've taken a while following this up, but I just tried installing Google Chrome Frame. I forced it to become the default rendering engine in IE8 with a registry hack, and was astounded how it transformed IE8 in that it would now correctly display web pages that looked a terrible mess with the default Trident engine! Unfortunately, it didn't make any difference at all to Eudora's rendering of e-mails, the problem ones are still just as slow to display. As I said earlier, when they eventually do display they display perfectly, with no elements missing, so that's not the problem, the problem is how long it takes them to appear! Google Chrome Frame also stops Windows/Microsoft Update from displaying in IE8 of course, as you would expect! @heinoganda, if you're across this thread, what I'm seeing always in the HTTPSProxy console every time there's a display delay, in this case with an e-mail from the Sky help forum, is this - [19:22] 000 "EOF occurred in violation of protocol (_ssl.c:600)" while trying to establish local SSL tunnel for [helpforum.sky.com:443] [19:22] 002 [D] "GET https://helpforum.sky.com/html/assets/email/community-logo.png" 200 9887 [19:22] 001 [D] "GET https://helpforum.sky.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" 200 414 [19:22] 003 [D] "OPTIONS https://helpforum.sky.com/ 0" 200 - [19:22] 003 ProxHTTPSProxyMII FrontProxy/v1.5 [WinError 10053] An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine I don't know if this gives any clues!

Well I finally forced the update yesterday using the update assistant. I guess I'll now never know why I wasn't being offered the update by Windows Update, let's now see if the next one is offered, whenever that's due! All went fine, no apparent problems other than the usual blizzard of error and warning messages in the Windows logs now on every boot. Now time for the usual fun research on how to get rid of as many of them as possible that you seem to have to do after every update!

LOL!

Yes, that's exactly what I used to get, but suddenly a few weeks ago I just started getting a blank white page when I logged off, with a horizontal page boundary line on it if I scroll, but no content. If I refresh it, it goes back to the logon page. Very strange!

Working great!

Off topic, but I use Lloyds online banking with Firefox 52.9.0 ESR, and I've noticed recently that when I log off I just get a blank white page. Adblock Plus is disabled. Have you noticed that?

Thanks, that's interesting to know, but wouldn't that affect all Windows Updates? I'm still getting others fine, it's only the 1809 feature update that seems to be missing.

Still not being offered 1809, despite checking on Windows Update every day. I wish there was some way of finding out if my system is being rejected because of some incompatibility, and if so, what it is!

Seems to be working fine!

Google Chrome 49 still working fine here with YouTube too.

XP is still alive and well in my local Tesco supermarket too!

I only mentioned it because @Vistapocalypsesaid in his previous post "Support for Windows XP was dropped beginning with Adobe Reader 11.0.09". It may well have been officially, but it hasn't actually stopped any later versions from working.

FWIW Adobe Reader 11.0.23 works fine on Windows XP, I use it all the time!

I updated 7.36 to 7.41 on Windows 10 to see what would happen, and it worked, and is still working after a couple of days! I'm fully expecting it to be blocked again soon with the update nag though, at which point I will try the folder substitution trick.

I take it this is available in US English only? I can't find a British English version, or any other languages for that matter!

Actually, it looks as if KB4462157 hasn't replaced KB4461614. Although when I first installed KB4462157, KB4461614 seemed to vanish from my hidden updates list on MS Update as I expected, it then came back again and still said I'd hidden an important update. I noticed on the KB4462157 KB page that it says "Fix: After KB 4461614 is applied, Access 2010 and Excel 2010 stop working." I therefore tried reinstalling both of them, but the problem was still there, they give different error messages, and you get the KB4462157 one until you uninstall it, and it's then replaced by the original KB4461614 error message. Both updates do replace MSO.DLL it appears, but I guess they're just two different versions which are both incompatible with XP in different ways! Strange that having KB4462157 installed doesn't seem to override KB4461614 though.

KB4461614 now replaced by KB4462157. Same problem, but different error message! "winword.exe - Entry Point Not Found : The procedure entry point EnumCalendarInfoExEx could not be located in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll."

Same scenario, but it's now KB4461614 which is causing the problem. Uninstall that and hide it and it should come good. I'm still hoping they will release a substitute which does work soon as they did last time!

Thanks, I've actually now got back in again myself on 7.36. I had to do it by logging out and back in again, something I never normally do, and it then connected and now seems to be fine again. No joy with 7.41 on Windows 10 though, I still can't get past the upgrade screen. I suspect this would now also happen if you were running 7.38 on XP. I'm wondering if they're now forcing anyone on Skype 7 versions after 7.36 to upgrade to Skype 8 if they want to carry on using it, but are still allowing XP systems to log in with 7.36 (only). If that's the case I hope it stays like that, but I guess it's more likely just to be an oversight, and they will eventually block 7.36 as well. EDIT: Now I've found that 7.36 still works fine on Windows 10 too! It does pop up a warning about not being happy with the version, but it still carries on working and you can dismiss the warning. I went on the Skype forum and there are several huge threads with people ranting about now being forced to "upgrade" to what they consider to be a far inferior version! Someone there said that you can save a copy of the 7.41 folder, install 7.36 and then replace its folder with the 7.41 one, and it still works without the update nag, but I haven't actually tried that. As long as 7.36 carries on working I'm happy with that.

Skype 7.36 is now refusing to log me in on Windows XP. Skype 7.41 is now showing the update nag on Windows 10, and there seems to be no way around it. A reinstall and uninstall/reinstall makes no difference, I can't now get past the nag screen, and updating to version 8 seems to be the only option. I would do that on Windows 10, but I hate the idea of not having my full chat history at my fingertips in the application any more!

I reinstalled 7.38 a few weeks ago, and today the update nag came back. Back on 7.36 now.