well spoken words XtremeMaC, still alot of people whom have a datalimit for downloading or having dailup connection here in my country.... and yes part of that EU. Ok there are better alternatives then microsoft put into their windows... sow what, it's upto the user to use it or not. I say screw the EU and let someone just deliver their piece of software how they want, or are it the illigal users of windows whom are complaining that wmp is inside xp? just my 2 cents