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@johk What you describe is perfectly normal now ; when one a) doesn't pass YT logged-in cookies b) doesn't enable a JS runtime, then ONLY the android_sdkless (ANDR-S) formats are being available; these don't include any HLS (m3u8) formats (BTW, the ANDR-S client doesn't work at all with YT logged-in cookies). OTOH, the web_safari (WEB-S) client formats (of the HLS type, only) were, up until a week ago, also accessible under the above scenario; but now, because Google have put them behind an n/sig JS challenge, they do require a JS runtime (e.g. quickjs) to be enabled for them to become available to yt-dlp. The IOS HLS formats are (at this time at least, can't vouch for how much longer ) accessible without a JS runtime, but they have to be explicitly requested with the --extractor-args "youtube:player_client=ios;formats=missing_pot" argument; this will also yield the https IOS formats, which are inaccessible without also providing a PO Token ... Hope it's clear to you now ...
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Many thanks, indeed ; but the naysayers/doubters are again back at it, one of them even went as far as to downvote your comment; I posted one last "analysis" there, but, frankly, I'm totally disheartened by all those "experts of today", who leave no room for old-school volunteers like myself ... Well then, I, you, Reino (and possibly others) know that the IOS HLS formats do still work, let the masses on GH's issue tracker stick to their reservations ...
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Best greetings @nicolaasjan ; may I bring to your attention the "youtube IOS-client M3U8 formats" discussion found in GH#15569: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/15569#issuecomment-3770540275 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/15569#issuecomment-3771419465 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/15569#issuecomment-3780166034 @bashonly, one of the main, current, yt-dlp devs, is not inclined to acknowledge (repeated) claims that the IOS-client M3U8 formats are (at this time) actually downloadable without 1) YT cookies, 2) a JS runtime enabled, 3) a PO Token. Could you, please, add there your own genuine input (hopefully one that corroborates the "downloadable" claims) before that issue gets, eventually, locked for non-devs? Many thanks in advance ... All the best for you!
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@johk What happens if you switch to the 32-bit yt-dlp variant for Win7 ? https://github.com/nicolaasjan/yt-dlp/releases/download/2026.01.19.143412/yt-dlp_x86_win7.exe That one doesn't come with the curl_cffi Python module bundled (it's currently only 64-bit); some sites require this module to work, but NOT youtube.com (yet) ... curl_cffi is a Python binding (wrapper) for curl-impersonate, not for "ordinary" curl ; curl-impersonate uses Google's BoringSSL crypto lib (not Libre/OpenSSL), making it incompatible with < Win7 (I have Vista) ... curl 8.15.0-IMPERSONATE (Windows) libcurl/8.15.0-IMPERSONATE BoringSSL zlib/1.3 brotli/1.1.0 zstd/1.5.6 c-ares/1.30.0 WinIDN nghttp2/1.63.0 ngtcp2/1.11.0 nghttp3/1.9.0 Release-Date: [unreleased] Protocols: dict file ftp ftps gopher gophers http https imap imaps ipfs ipns ldap ldaps mqtt pop3 pop3s rtsp smb smbs smtp smtps telnet tftp ws wss Features: alt-svc AsynchDNS brotli ECH HSTS HTTP2 HTTP3 HTTPS-proxy HTTPSRR IDN IPv6 Largefile libz NTLM SSL SSLS-EXPORT threadsafe Unicode UnixSockets zstd
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My Browser Builds (Part 5)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
r3dfox (and firefox) will still upgrade the connection to HTTPS, even if the relevant setting, HTTPS-Only Mode, under "about:preferences#privacy", has been manually set to "Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode" ... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/https-only-prefs https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/https-upgrades I had to first enable HTTPS-Only Mode in all windows, and then configure an exception just for "o.rthost.win" ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 5)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
The article I linked to, https://habr.com/ru/articles/856602/ is, supposedly, intended for free-tier users, with an addition in the end "For paid CloudFlare users" ; but I'm not sure disabling ECH works anymore, as this statement from June 2025 indicates: https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/1485#issue-3189002561 ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 5)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@Egorkaru. can you not access the PLAIN HTTP version of http://o.rthost.win/ (obviously, on a browser that doesn't enforce HTTPS) ? I found some relevant issues in the Supermium issue tracker: https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/1485 https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/997 and, possibly, https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/1005 @roytam1, it appears you have ECH enabled: https://dns.google/resolve?name=o.rthost.win&type=HTTPS perhaps disabling it could restore access in Russia ? -
My Browser Builds (Part 5)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Sadly, I suspect those have been blocked even before ALL the free "VPNs"; Putin doesn't like to leave loopholes , does he? ... -
Below link, http://acs.pandasoftware.com/Panda/FREEAV/Promo_pd/FREEAV.exe will afford a relatively big offline installer, sized ca. 162 MiB, with file version 15.14.5.0 and a digital file signature (SHA2 only) of Jan 11th, 2026; I wouldn't install it, but when opening that EXE with 7-zip, file FREEAV.exe\Program Files\Panda Security\Panda Cloud Antivirus\VERSION.INI reads: [VERSION] VERSION=23.00.00.0000 LINE=4.0 TYPE=Release NINST=20251127_PandaZone BRANCH=PandaZone REV=1 BUILD_DATE=08/01/2026 23:11:41 CID=BE719E91-B06D-4263-8AB5-BF70044CC02B [MODULES] INSTALLER=7.10.00.2104 NNS=7.0.0.638 PSBOOT=1.0.34.0 RKPAVPROC=2.0.11.0 so I assume it to be of version 23 ...
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Panda Dome's support has to be also made aware that while they advertise Windows XP SP3 x86 support, some features of the application (e.g. activation, sign-in to a Panda account) on that OS require ProxHTTPSProxy (or equivalent), which is NOT part of a standard installation of that OS; perhaps they need to "relax" some of the cipher suites needed to establish those secure connections, when XP SP3 is being detected as the host OS; but given their response record so far , I'm not betting any money in them addressing the mentioned issue(s) ...
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... Not to toot my own trumpet , but... Thanks to the one person that (positively) reacted to that post ...
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Per abbodi1406, https://github.com/abbodi1406/vcredist#windows-xp-notice Direct link: https://download.visualstudio.microsoft.com/download/pr/566435ac-4e1c-434b-b93f-aecc71e8cffc/0D59EC7FDBF05DE813736BF875CEA5C894FFF4769F60E32E87BD48406BBF0A3A/VC_redist.x86.exe MDL forums reference: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/repack-visual-c-redistributable-runtimes-2020-11-10.76588/page-27#post-1630817 I can confirm that the installer is dual-signed (both SHA1+SHA256), thus it can be verified on XP SP3 (which ONLY supports SHA1 file signatures). As for the installer of version 14.29.30139.0 referenced in the "community.pcgamingwiki.com" site, this has the direct link below (courtesy of abbodi1406): https://download.visualstudio.microsoft.com/download/pr/b929b7fe-5c89-4553-9abe-6324631dcc3a/4C6C420CF4CBF2C9C9ED476E96580AE92A97B2822C21329A2E49E8439AC5AD30/VC_redist.x86.exe but it is only SHA256-signed, so I'm not sure if its signature can be verified under XP SP3 : Just my 2c ...
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No offence meant, really, but I don't see the point of your query ; you want a comparison between apples and oranges, when, in practice, the XUL ("legacy") and the WE (MV2) CAN'T be really compared, due to them targeting different platforms/web engines; this thread here is about the XUL variant, which is the only one supported by the (official) UXP-based browsers; actually, roytam1's St52/St55 have retained some rudimentary support for fx-52 level Web Extension APIs, but if you plan on installing there the WE-variant(s) of uBO from ca. 10yrs ago, then you should ditch that idea right away; those ancient WE versions are no match for the web of 2026... TL;DR: UXP-based browsers don't support at all the what you called "newer version Gorhill works on now" ; you are limited to installing the XUL variant; any "academic" comparison is totally moot in this context (similarly, recent Firefox, and its forks, do not support the XUL-variant, only the WE-variant; and currently, that requires fx-115esr and later) ...
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That hotfix was previously under https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=54179 but bad MS have now removed that link ; I haven't tried the Internet Archive for retrieval, because abbodi1406 has already archived that link: http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/E/0/EE05C9EF-A661-4D9E-BCE2-6961ECDF087F/vcredist_x86.exe Mind you, despicable MS had shadow-banned his GitHub repo, thankfully a GitLab mirror exists: https://gitlab.com/stdout12/vcredist/-/tree/master/source_links?ref_type=heads
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... Well then, not wanting to "burst anyone's bubbles" , but, perhaps, Adlice's "idea" of WinXP support is just what has been confirmed so far by your (and AstroSkipper's) tests: on-demand manual scans, only (i.e., you still need a Win7+ OS and a paid-for licence for real-time-protection to be effective); on a side note, Adlice's homepage doesn't breathe much confidence to me ; it appears they couldn't be bothered to change the copyright year to the current value: https://www.adlice.com/roguekiller/ And, FWIW, the support forum (intended to help users of the "free" version) has been turned into read-only mode: https://forum.adlice.com/index.php?topic=3890.0
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... Not only that, but the "DOWNLOAD" button on the linked website is NO LONGER clickable ; even worse, the download link you had previously archived, https://www.escanav.com/en/antivirus-downloadlink/downloadcounter.asp?pcode=MWAV&src=english_dwn&type=alter now returns: ... What a total scam !
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YouTube under Windows XP - Downloaders, players and browser support
VistaLover replied to AstroSkipper's topic in Windows XP
Does this refer to yesterday's latest offering ? https://github.com/FalloNero/yt-dlp4vlc/commit/93ad2eeffdcdaf2cc0a6ef685b57399d7787c789 (built with VC2005 ?)- 141 replies
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... Wasn't/isn't there a native way to do that, without any such extension? Below, a screengrab from a Sm-132 copy:
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My new beloved superhero, @autodidact : https://msfn.org/board/profile/398146-autodidact/content/ This most kind, generous and altruistic person is also a member on the videohelp.com forums, where he's been releasing Win7-compatible FFmpeg builds periodically; and here, he's doing the same for Vista/XP users; in some way, he's picked up the baton from Reino (whose very old, SSE-only, PC with XP died one year ago) ... As I said, it was by necessity ; but I don't think he's regretted it ...
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... @Reino has left the Windows XP "Kingdom" for good and he now resides on Win11 territories ...
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VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
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Probably for the same reason it doesn't install on WinXP Pro SP2 x64; the Panda devs, in a narrow-minded decision , have hardcoded WinXP to ONLY be NT 5.1; anything higher (e.g. 5.2) is assumed to be Vista+, for which they mandate a version of .NET FW > 4.0.x (4.6 to be precise):
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... Surely a typo, but you actually mean MB there, don't you ...
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VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Both, very old (end of 2017), links to WindowsXP-KB936235-v2 (EN) and/or WindowsXP-KB944340 (EN) return 404 currently ... -
I suppose your investigation results are quite valuable to XP SP3 users on old and under-resourced H/W; so, thanks for your time spent ; however, unless one had downloaded to disk v21.01.00 when it was still current, it's now a real task to find working/valid links to actual (off-line) installers to it ; I did a simple G-search for it and ALL results on pages 1-3 point to (mostly) stub or off-line installer-links hosted on the vendor's (PANDA) servers; but these tend to download the latest version of the software, not the older one we're after ; I did succeed in the end in finding links to offline installers for v21.01.00, but these were self-hosted on Iranian and/or Russian sites, so, as you can understand, I won't share them publicly here ; other than that, is there a special setting one should configure in v21.01.00 so that it doesn't auto-update to a more recent version? FWIW, v23.00.00 has now become the latest (digitally signed 22/12/2025) ... Kindest greetings.
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