i dont recall exactly what the problem was... but i'm guessing it had to do with a faulty plugin which didnt work right (now i remember u fixed that ) about mpc: i had it 3 times on my cd, one standalone sfx, one in qt alt, and one in real alt. if i let it install by real or qt alt installers i'll still have it twice and i'm 1-2 mb short on my cd for avg (its about 10-11mb and i have only 8or 9 mb left) titou: now get to work and put out that package instead of being around the forum ps @ nuhi: after i remove all wmp 6.4 & 9 and uncheck keep compability there are still some files remaining, because titou's installer (stream&codecs2) prompts me if i wanna overwrite something i forgot to remember (could it be qasf.dll & wmploc.dll?). dutch install with xpsp2 and hp38 hotfixpack inc. (as in incorporated )