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I ran into something a few days ago that I had never heard of before in relation to Windows 98SE. I downloaded a defrag program from File Hippo to try out ... O&O Defrag 2000 ... it is listed as working with Windows 9x/2000/XP/2003. However, when I went to install the program it stopped with a message that I needed to have the latest version of Microsoft Management Console installed. In all the years I've been using Windows 98SE, I had never had this message appear for any software install. I also had never heard of MS Management Console. I went to Google and found that you can check to see if you have MS Management Console installed on your computer by going to Start/Run and type in MMC ... nothing was found. Also at Google I found a version for Windows 98SE at the Microsoft website ... version 1.2 ..... http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...88-faa8cc8b475b I have installed that version but the O&O Defrag 2000 still will not install ... it's looking (I think) for a newer version of MS Management Console ... of which there is none for Windows 98SE ... all I could find at the MS Website was the 1.2 version. I don't need the O&O Defrag 2000 anyway, just wanted to see how it worked. However, I am curious now about MS Management Console and if anyone can shed some light on how important it really is. As I said earlier, I have installed through the years many, many software programs to use and try out but never ran into this requirement and MMC was not installed on my computer, when I ran the check. It has never been in any "unofficial" updates I guess or I probably would have had it installed on my machine sometime in the last 5 years or so. Now that I have it installed, it does show up when I go to Start/Run and type in MMC. So again to anyone, what exactly is MS Management Console and of what real importance is it to Windows 98SE since most software programs don't seem to need it anyway? thanks, duffy98

No, I actually have have been around for a few years or more ... I've posted before asking for help on a few things and always someone ( or several people ) would have the answer I needed but I never remember anything going more than one page. I feel like I posted something "important" this time, ... 7 pages so far. I had no idea what that simple question would lead too, it's all very interesting, just wish I understood most of it but I don't do web pages and such, but I do understand much more about IE6 and all the problems the browser has.

Hi Everyone ... Wow ... when I first posted the YouTube / IE6 situation some time back, I got quick help and learned about a "User Agent" and got information on various browsers ... of which I decided on K-Meleon. A very fast, lean browser which I like very much. I also decided to keep IE6 as a backup or to use occasionally. I got the "User Agent" download from this thread to fool the web sites about IE6. ... Just want to say, I have continued reading everything posted on this thread after "my problems" were solved. It is all really interesting but way over my head ... I had no idea when I posted my original question what it would all lead to ... pages of discussions. Like I said, I keep reading every new post, but I fell out of the back of the pickup truck several pages back! Keep posting, probably interesting to many people who understand it all and I might just pick up on something myself.

In case anyone might be interested I spent the week trying out several different browsers ... didn't care for Sea Monkey, FireFox and a few others ... decided K-Meleon v1.5.3 seem to work the best for me ... I had trouble customizing Sea Monkey, FireFox and the others to my liking ... having only used Internet Explorer versions since 1998 when I got my first computer ... I found it hard to adjust to Sea Monkey and FireFox but K-Meleon seem to be the best for me on that subject. ... it was easy for me to work with and get settings more to my liking and it does seem to be faster over the other browsers, at least it seemed that way to me, I'm not saying it is faster, might be my imagination. I still have some things that I have to work on but the K-Meleon setup I have running now will work for me, I hope to fine tune it a bit more. I will say this, ... this might be helpful to someone like myself that has only used IE for most of the time. When I first tried K-Meleon early in the week .... it was after I had run IEradicator first to take IE 6 completely off my harddrive. I had a choice whether to leave the "IE shell" on or just take IE completely off. Wasn't sure what to do, so I took IE completely off ... seemed to be a mistake after I did that. Many things were messed up so I redid my computer ... I have a Ghost backup so it wasn't too bad to get things back to the way they were. Decided to try the other browsers but I left IE 6 on the computer ... Early this morning after trying out 2 more browsers I decided to put K-Meleon back on ... it seems to be the one for me, as herbalist said in an earlier post ... "K-Meleon is an extremely configurable browser. If you like tweaking settings, it's got tweaks for everything. It has built in flash blocking, user agent spoofing, proxy switching, one click clearing of all usage records, and much more. A fair amount of what I had Proxomitron doing is built into K-Meleon. It takes a little more getting used to than SeaMonkey but it's more flexible." .... yes, I have to work with it some more but I was able to get most of my settings the way I wanted them, compared to Sea Monkey and FireFox. That's just me probably ... others should try them anyway and decide what they might like. I decided to post a follow up on what I decided on. I don't know what to do about IE 6 ... I am thinking of just leaving it on the computer as a back-up browser ... herbalist or anyone ... when using that IEradicator ... if I ran it and left the "IE shell" on the computer and not completely take IE 6 off, would that keep other programs OK? ... or should I just leave IE 6 sit on the computer??? ... thanks

crisp ... thanks for the info on those two browsers. So you are saying I would have no security to speak of with those two browsers. All these years I've only used Internet Explorer ... starting with version 4. Not very familiar with any of the other browsers ... I will try the ones that herbalist mentioned and any that are mentioned in the future.

OK ... I hear ya herbalist. You and many (most) others are much more in the know than I am on this IE 6 subject. You mentioned the browsers you like ... others mentioned Firefox 2.0.0.20. I have them all downloaded ... I'd like something that is safe, simple, fast and low on resource use. I came across these two additional browsers that work with Windows 98SE and was wondering if anyone reading this thread has tried them or might be using them now .... TheWorld Browser for Windows 98 v2.4.1.2 (2009-06-04) http://www.ioage.com/en/ http://www.ioage.com/en/download.htm http://www.brothersoft.com/theworld-browse...-98-111697.html and ... SlimBrowser v4.12 released, Jul 23, 2009 Windows 98+IE5 is the minimum requirement. SlimBrowser runs on both 32-bit and 64-bit windows platform. http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/ they are both very small downloads.

dencorso .... thanks for the IE6 registry fix. I have decided to go that route for now, that's really good, this forum always comes through with help and good ideas. I agree with Dude112 ... I like IE6 and would like to stay with it for as long as possible. I know sometimes I have a web page that loads slow but I am never sure if it might be because of Proxomitron since it is filtering so many things out ... also I connect through my cell phone ... when I got the phone and mobile office kit in 2004, connections and everything (web pages) were pretty fast but as more people started texting, sending photos, downloading tv shows, movies or whatever ... I have noticed a drop in speed at certain times when I am on the internet. It's like I am waiting for "my turn" somewhere, but in general the speed is usually pretty good .... so a web page will open slow sometimes for me ... but it may not be completely the fault of IE6. ... I will still check out one of the other browsers as a possible "backup" browser to just have handy. *** update: I used the patch regIE7XP.reg and tried the two sites again. Does work ! ... no messages about IE6 being phased out. ... thanks again

thanks for the Proxomitron info ... I decided not to download Sea Monkey ... it is a - 13 MB download where K-melon and Firefox are both under 6 MB. ... herbalist, do you still have IE on your computer in any form ? ... or can it be completely removed. I have a program that will completely remove IE but should it be completely removed for Windows 98SE?

herbalist ... I use Proxomitron also with the latest Sidki filter set. I am in the process of downloading Firefox v2.0.0.20 now to try out. Yes, I think that IE 6 does seem slow to load a web page sometimes. Ok, so I will have Sea Monkey, K-Melon and Firefox v2.0.0.20 to work with ... anyone know for sure which one might be really low on resource use or are they all close? I have an old 98SE Toshiba notebook that I will test the three that I mentioned above. If I go with anyone of those three, can I then remove IE 6 completly from my computer or does it also have to remain on the computer, even if it will no longer be used? ... thanks Idb and BenoitRen also for your input.

herbalist .... thanks for the info .... may I ask, if it's not too time consuming or hard to explain, how can I do the same thing ... block or spoof the user agent in IE 6. I have heard of those two browsers (Sea Monkey / K-Melon) and have them downloaded somewhere. I will get the latest versions of each to have on hand but if I could block or spoof the user agent in IE 6, as you did, then maybe I could keep using IE 6 into the future. I also update IE 6 with "Maximus Decim InternetExplorer 6.0sp1 Component Update 2.7" , as they are released and IE 6 works very good for me at this time.

I go to YouTube a few times a week or every other week or so ... today this message was on the web page in relation to me being there using Internet Explorer 6. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We will be phasing out support for your browser soon. Please upgrade to one of these more modern browsers. Google Chrome ... Firefox 3.5 ... Internet Explorer 8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I had never seen this this message before, it may have been on the web page but today I did notice it. This is something I hadn't given much thought too ... keeping Windows 98SE "modern" in today's world is one thing but what can a person do if other web sites also start dropping IE 6 or other browsers that still work with Windows 98SE. Those browsers mentioned by YouTube do not work with Windows 98SE or 98 in general. *** Some further info concerning IE 6 .... I just went to this web site and they also read my browser as IE 6 and this message was displayed ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Still using IE6?! Did you know that your security is at risk using IE6? Did you know many sites — including Lottery Post — will stop supporting IE6 this year? You really need to upgrade right away. It is simple and free — let us show you how. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This seems to be something that is going to happen sooner than later ... What modern browser would have future access to these web sites that would work with Windows 98SE? I will keep using IE 6 till these sites start refusing me ... maybe they will have a tab or work around for older browsers ... this is all new to me. Open to suggestions. Thanks ....

Thanks again for the extra info ... the whole thing is clear now and why it just wouldn't go away. from the link ..... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- rbbad.cab will just sit there forever in addition to the other 5 unless you either use scanreg, or Windows decides to replace it for some other reason (such as a bad boot). The latter doesn't usually happen very often unless you have bad RAM or some other problem. In the course of time there is no really good reason to keep rbbad.cab cluttering up the place but it does no harm. Bottom line: ignore it or delete it - ain't no big thing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rick ... thanks for that info. I was never in that folder ... "sysbckup". All the numbered backups (rb001) were there and one that was labeled "rbbad". It's gone now but I am curious how that one backup ended up in there labeled that way. Again thanks for the solution ... this forum rocks.

OK ... where would I go to right click and delete that bad registry. I am aware that there can be more than 5 backups ... actually I save 10 backups, I just said 5 since that is the normal setup for Windows 98 and I didn't want to confuse anyone. I figured if I just do a Scanreg 10 times that one bad registry backup would just be replaced with a new backup dated today .... I have 9 backups dated today and that bad backup dated 30 March 2009 is still there. I am using a program called WinRescue 98 and it shows me the backups that are available. So where can I go to right click and delete that one backup out of my system? Thanks ...

I have a question about the 5 registry backups that "Scanreg.INI" keeps every day that Windows 98SE is turned on. I noticed today that one of the registry backups is dated 30 March 2009 and labeled "bad". It should have been replaced long ago with a newer backup but is still there. Is there a way I can get to this one particular registry backup that is labeled "bad" and manually delete it off the hard drive. Is there a registry program that will delete or clean out all or some of these backups. I'm wondering why it just wasn't replaced by a newer backup.

Guitar_Samuri ... imai If you want a fairly easy way to install all the Win 98SE updates and some extras ... after a fresh install of Windows 98SE then go to the Windows 9x Member Projects forum and get the "Maximus Decim Cumulative Update v3.05 for Windows 98SE" ... all the updates are there, plus a guide as to what to install and the order of install after you install the Windows 98SE OS fresh. It is currently on Page 3 of that forum, near the top. The other downloads that are in the guide that you will need are also there. Windows 9x Member Projects link: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=91 This is Maximus Decim's install guide. Myself and many others use this guide and these downloads but you can decide for yourself if this will work for you. Sure can make things easy. The downloads are updated every so often. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maximus Decim aka Maxud The detailed description of the order of installation Windows 98SE, necessary updates and components. 08/20/2008 1. Install Windows 98SE. 2. Install full installation Internet Explorer 6.0Sp1. 3. Install Maximus Decim Cumulative Update ver.3.05 (mdcu305e.exe). for Windows 98SE English. Includes Official updates: 192425, 236926, 237493, 239887, 240075, 240664, 240896, 241052, 242004, 242193, 242928, 245272, 242975, 245682, 246817, 249146, 249635, 250514, 250876, 253697, 253711, 254660, 257630, 257821, 258191, 258680, 259253, 262232, 264650, 266772, 267304, 268064, 269601, 269874, 271701, 272621, 273017, 273727, 274113 274175, 274548, 275873, 276602, 277628, 278033, 278368, 280448, 281533, 283032, 284837, 288430, 288550, 290831, 293197, 295629, 305037, 306453, 306889, 307004, 308349, 309081, 310695, 311430, 311561, 313829, 315575, 318307, 319571, 321467, 323172, 323708, 329115, 329128, 811630, 823559, 827656, 896358, 896559. Replaced with unofficial updates: 246387, 249973, 263044, 273468, 289635, 291362, 320798, 891711, 918547, 274370 (replaced with unofficial 304708), 314147 (replaced with unofficial 926247). Replaced with ADclient: 245729, 293793. Unofficial updates: 249824, 271277, 272991, 835732, 932590, KRNL386.EXE, CONTROL.EXE, SHELL32.DLL, IFSMGR.VXD, OLE, HTML help, 951072, msimg32.dll. Other updates: Installer 2.0, VB6SP6 (replaced with unofficial VB6SP6), VB5SP3, VCredist, Adaptec ASPI v.4.60(1021), part of ADclient, Explorer with 256-color tray icons, DCOM98, TELNET, UNICOWS, 3D Control Libraries, GDIPLUS. BHDD 3.1 - support for hard drives larger than 137 GB, NUSB 3.3 - native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, universal stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall. WIA 1.1 - Windows Image Acquisition. It allows seemless communication between image acquisition applications and digital imaging devices (such as digital still cameras, scanners and DV camcorders). Optional components: Zip-folders; Spider Solitaire. 4. Install PCIO98.EXE (it is included in MDCU)- patch IO.SYS for change of the order of assignment of letters to hard disks. 5. Install DirectX 9.0c. 6. Install drivers for motherboard, sound card (preferably wdm-drivers), net card, video card and other devices. 7. Install MDIE6CU - Maximus Decim IE6sp1 Component Update 2.3. Includes Windows Script Update 5.6.0.8831; 917344 - JScript Security Update; 944338 - Unofficial Windows Script Security Update; 951066 - Unofficial Outloook Express Cumutative Security Update; 953838 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update; 905495 - Unofficial Security Update (MSIEFTP); 920670 - Unofficial Security Update (HLINK); 824220 - Unofficial Security Update (IMGUTIL); 886677 - Unofficial Security Update (MLANG); 896156 - Unofficial Security Update (MSHTMLED); 885258 - Security Update (PROCTEXE); 816362 - Security Update (MSHTA); 929969 - Unofficial Security Update (VGX); 891781 - Internet Explorer Security Update (DHTML); 908519 - Embedded Web Fonts Security Fix (T2EMBED); 918439 - Internet Explorer Security Update (ART Image Rendering); 816093 - Microsoft Java Virtual Machine update 3810; Windows Roots Update; IE advanced options; WindowsUpdate. 8. Update Macromedia Flash Player for Internet Explorer. 9. Install MDDACU - Maximus Decim Data Access Component Update 1.4 Includes: Jet ver.4.0sp8; Jet40Repl; MDAC ver.2.8sp1 (wiht MSXML 3.0SP7); 911562 - MDAC Security Update; MSXML 4.0sp2; 927779 - Unofficial Update for MDAC ver.2.8sp1; 925051 - Unofficial Update for Jet 4.0sp8; 924191 - Unofficial Update for MSXML 3.0sp7; 936181 - Unofficial Update for MSXML 4.0sp2. 10.Install Windows Media Player. For Windows Media Player 6.4 install 320920. Or install Windows Media 9.0 and updates 816044, 917734 Install codecs WMP 10.0. 11.Install .NET Framework 1.1, and update 867460 (Service Pack 1). 12.Install .NET Framework 2.0. 13.Install SAPI 4.0, SAPI 5.1. 14.Install Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) and updates 282949, 260710, 285895. 15.Reinstall DirectX 9.0c. And still!!! Basically, Windows 98SE supports work with operative memory in the size up to 2Gb, but not all so is simple. Therefore, if Windows 98SE that is installed on a computer with operative memory greater than 512 Mb: 1.In BIOS sets the size of aperture AGP in minimal Value (64 mbytes are usual) for economy of addresses. 2. Sets the maximal cache size from 512Mb up to 64Mb - to whom as it is pleasant - too for economy of addresses. For this purpose it is used MaxFileCache=xxx (where xxx - the cache size in KILOBYTES) in section [vcache] a file System.ini If all works and is left, if glitches proceed: 3.If memory has more 1Gb, we add MaxPhysPage=40000 if from 1Gb up to 768Mb - MaxPhysPage=30000 in section [386enh] a file System.ini

Thanks Rick for the detailed explanation on the global hooks in SSM. I will put SSM back on one of my machines and check each global hook as they pop up. I do remember SpywareBlaster asking for one or two global hooks and also Microsoft Money 97 asking for global hooks permission. The term "global hooks" sounds a little sinister and I was wondering what the program might be hooking into or how far these "hooks" might go after connecting to the internet. ... I also will be looking forward to the web pages dealing with SSM and a 9x system.

I can't speak for Gape but I have always felt that MDGx is reading this board and other boards. They do have outside lives but MDGx does post every so often. We may think the moderators are long gone with no recent posts ... but I for one think they are around to keep "law and order" in some way.

herbalist - Rick ... some time back I tried SSM and really liked it with 98SE. Then I ran into the problem of opening Media Player Classic with SSM running ... the computer freezes up and has to be shut down. I think you were able to verify this on your end ... did you ever get any answers on that or figure anything out? I just put SSM back on one of my 98SE machines about a week ago ... had forgot about the Media Player Classic problem till today ... I could just try to remember to shut SSM down when I want to use Media Player Classic. There is certainly a problem there between the two programs. ... thanks ... that's the only program (MPC) that I found so far that has a conflict of some sort with SSM. I have many programs on my 98SE test machine. I have another question ... on some programs you tell SSM to "always" run a certain program when it is opened but on some programs there might be a 2nd or 3rd permission asked using the term "allow global hooks". Is it OK to give future permission for the "Global Hooks" question? I don't quite understand that "Global Hooks" question when it pops up on a program.

The download link that I posted earlier that didn't work out when I installed it did seem to be something that will install onto 98SE ... it's that 30 day trial ... which a person doesn't really get a "30 day trial" that interferes with the install and reboot. The company that made that program doesn't exist anymore but someone must have the ability to fix or take that part out ... the program should work after that, it did install on my machine ... of course I didn't know what setting to put in the boxes. Maybe someone can make contact or find a way to get in touch with somebody originally involved with the program. Maybe they might have a "softspot" for us 98SE users and make it workable. Isn't 98SE still in use in many countries around the globe? ... I read that once somewhere, but maybe now in 2009, XP has become more the norm. I will try to find a contact on my end and keep searching for another IPv6 program for 98SE. .... if you go to this web site, it will "read" your machine and probably tell you that you are using IPv4 and from where. .... http://www.ipv6.org

Everybody ... DO NOT use the Trumpet Winsock 5.0 Revision C download ... it will kill your machine. I installed it on my test machine ... it has a "30 Day" trial period ... it will still install but then you have to "re-boot" and the BSOD pops up and a message ... "Your Demonstration Period Has Expired. Winsock is now unusable." I can't get into the machine at all to do anything ... if it weren't for that 30 day thing, the download would probably be OK. If that download could be found without the 30 day trial period built into it, it should be OK. Maybe retroOS will have the answer in one of his links. I will remove the download link in the other post. Delete that download !!!

Agree with you retroOS and cyberformer ... it is years away (IPv6) from what I was reading in the short time that I have become aware of IPv6. I will still give it a shot on the older Toshiba test machine and see what happens. I'm curious about what the download will do. I will let you know how it all works out. All my machines have a Ghost backup so I can be up and running again without too much of a problem. However, cyberformer ... post any new info or if you know what download will really work with 98SE. As I said, I will test the Trumpet Winsock 5.0 Revision C download or if someone is already using it, please post.

cyberformer ... your welcome ... thanks for bringing this to my attention, after reading about IPv6, I got the impression that Win 98SE users could have a problem down the road. That download link for Trumpet Winsock 5.0 Revision C ... is that what you were talking about in your earlier post ? ... does this take care of our problem? ... or do 98SE users still have to worry? If this is what we need or if there is something newer or better from the post by retroOS, let us know. You know a lot more about IPv6 than I do and I will be looking for more information from you and others in the future. I have an older 98SE notebook that I use for testing things on ... later today or sometime I will try that download out and see if I can still get on the internet. .... you are not alone in worrying, I also worry about 98SE ... I am very happy with my current 98SE notebooks and the way everything works. Hope it stays that way ...

This IPv6 is something I was not aware of ... all new to me. I went to the IPv6 web site to get information. It told me I am using IPv4. Anyway, I spent sometime on Google searching around. I came up with this for Windows 98 users. Is this what we (98SE users) need ? Trumpet Winsock 5.0 Revision C - This is designed for Windows 95/98 users and is compatible with several applications including Netscape, Internet Explorer, CUTE FTP, WS_FTP and Eudora. ... Update ... download link removed, download does not work.

Hi dencorso .... yes, I also add NUSB ... but it is included in the Mdcu305e update. ... maximus-decim takes care of everything ! Maximus Decim Cumulative Update ver.3.05 for Windows 98SE -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Includes more than 100 updates received from service WindowsUpdate and from Microsoft web site. * Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives (NUSB 3.3). * Native support WIA and PTP (WIA 1.1). * Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall. * Support for hard drives larger than 137GB (BHDD 3.1). * Zip-folders (Optional components) * Spider Solitaire (Optional components) * The detailed description of the order of installation Windows 98SE, necessary updates and components. ... just wanted to add that info.