Cixert Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) Second hard disk broken this month. This time it's a brand new 2.5" model, a Toshiba PC L200 with 2Tb capacity. After 5 hours of pasting files onto this hard disk via USB 2.0 bridge it started making a clack clack clack sound, which seems like a physical failure. I had the bad idea of cut and paste information onto this drive to use it temporarily as a data drive when I had another drive full. Why doesn't the control Z button work? Another mistake I made was risking using NTFS with a 4KiB cluster for multimedia files. I don't like NTFS, at the beginning of the century I had several Seagate drives broken due to the redundant use of NTFS in the same sectors of the hard drive in the master file table (MFT). Surely sooner or later the drive would have broken anyway, luckily it broke after 5 hours of use with 105GB of information and not later with 2Tb. Is it possible that both drives had mechanical failures due to using the same USB adapter? New with JMicron JMS578 chip which I don't trust to work. https://www.amazon.es/7xinbox-Adaptador-Pulgadas-Compatible-alimentación/dp/B08Y1VQV3Q/ref=asc_df_B08Y1VQV3Q I would like not to argue too much about how bad, awful the Toshiba PC L200 hard disk is. 70 years making hard drives and we still don't know how to do it? Any computer component can be broken, but not the hard drive, please that not! I would like to focus on recovering the data, because this time I have lost 105 GiB (and thank goodness). The two hard disks from which I have extracted them I have not touched. Shouldn't it be easy to recover the data? Over the years I have tried almost all data recovery applications and you know what, I don't like any of them. The attack disk measures 3 Tb with a single FAT32 partition and 32 KiB cluster. A full hard drive scan, as most programs insist, takes several days via USB. I'm currently trying with programs that don't require scanning, such as DMDE, IsoBuster, PC Inspector, Photorescue (Testdisk), and the result is that many files are recovered corrupted. Why can't I recover recently deleted files in another way? How can I physically recover the new damaged hard disk? Several companies offer to do this. Where can I find information on the process? Moral: You have to spend a lot of money to have many hard disks to make backups and never cut and paste. Right now, 2 external hard drives with 8 TB cost around 400 euros. Edited February 8 by Cixert
Saxon Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Toshiba, Seagate and other crap from that list were always in the lead of failures. You say 5 hours of use, do they honour the warranty? 1
Cixert Posted February 8 Author Posted February 8 (edited) 13 hours ago, Saxon said: Toshiba, Seagate and other crap from that list were always in the lead of failures. You say 5 hours of use, do they honour the warranty? Of course it is under warranty, but I assume I won't just send them the disk and they will return it to me with the recovered data, right? From what I'm reading from Backblaze's analysis the AFR error rate has increased in recent years across the board for the set of hard drives. Edited February 8 by Cixert
Rod Steel Posted February 9 Posted February 9 23 hours ago, Cixert said: Is it possible that both drives had mechanical failures due to using the same USB adapter? Most likely. I don't believe in such coincidence. Better use big USB Flash drive like 64 GB or 128 GB to transfer big chunks of information using USB. And maybe try WD HDD next time? Also HDD needed to be solidly fixed when it's working, otherwise it can malfunction fast. 1
D.Draker Posted February 9 Posted February 9 @Cixert, I told you what HDD to buy, haven't I? With Toshiba and Suckgate you will always end up paying double, triple, not to mention the wasted time. Now for the recovery, it's always a must to connect those directly, but you will loose the warranty if dissemble the box. 1
D.Draker Posted February 9 Posted February 9 On 2/7/2025 at 10:57 PM, Cixert said: Right now, 2 external hard drives with 8 TB cost around 400 euros. I had bought mine WD 8TB My book at CU for 160 Euro in 2020, well spent money.
Cixert Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 (edited) On 2/9/2025 at 2:30 PM, D.Draker said: @Cixert, I told you what HDD to buy, haven't I? With Toshiba and Suckgate you will always end up paying double, triple, not to mention the wasted time. Now for the recovery, it's always a must to connect those directly, but you will loose the warranty if dissemble the box. Yes, thanks. I bought this hard disk a few months ago and I hadn't used it yet. I hope that the new Western Digital drives are reliable as you say, since in the past I have found otherwise. I'm going to try. Indeed according to BackBlaze, the most reliable is HGST and Western Digital. Although they also list a Seagate drive that has not yet any breakdown. https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/resources/hard-drive-test-data Edited February 10 by Cixert
D.Draker Posted February 10 Posted February 10 11 hours ago, Cixert said: Indeed according to BackBlaze, the most reliable is HGST and Western Digital. Yes, that's what I also told, but these days all ready-made disks kinda suck, so I prefer to purchase an aluminium storage box separately, then insert a reliable HDD inside. These days, I have to choose Hitachi owned by WD, I showed you the screen after 5 years on, it's still going strong. The boxes I buy for them are: Fantec eSATA 6G The original plastic Box from "my Book" I throw away.
Cixert Posted February 10 Author Posted February 10 (edited) 48 minutes ago, D.Draker said: The boxes I buy for them are: Fantec eSATA 6G Thanks, can you tell me the exact model so I can take a look? Although I'm afraid that these boxes won't allow me to work in Windows 2000/XP with +2TiB disks as Western Digital boxes do, up to 16 Tb, by moving the logical sector from 512 bytes to 4096 bytes. Edited February 10 by Cixert
D.Draker Posted February 10 Posted February 10 I bought this one, but the price came up now, it varies, it may also go down. https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/3509-5DM then removed the HDD and inserted into this box. https://fantecshop.de/en/p/fantec-db-alu3-6g
D.Draker Posted February 13 Posted February 13 @Cixert, maybe a stupid question, did you check the cable, and the power? 1
Cixert Posted February 22 Author Posted February 22 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 8:27 AM, D.Draker said: @Cixert, maybe a stupid question, did you check the cable, and the power? The power adapter has a label that says: 12v 2000A. These are the same values that the label of other USB adapters says. I have tested the power cable with a tester, it gives 14.6v and 3600A. I think these are normal values, although there are 4 things to consider: 1- All testers measure about 2v too much in all power adapters. I don't know why this is, thinking it could be a fault of my tester I went to the store and tried a more expensive one, the result is the same. 2- When I try to measure the amps it shows 3.6 A at first and then the value disappears from the screen in less than 1 second. I don't know if this is normal. 3- In the eBay ad where I bought the USB adapter it says that the power adapter is not very strong so you shouldn't use the device for permanent connection, just for a while. I don't know what the seller means by this. It either works or it doesn't work and I don't see it getting hot. 4- The USB adapter seems to work regardless of whether the power adapter is connected. I haven't done a definitive test but the files seem to copy to any hard drive just the same. In other USB adapters when I disconnect the power adapter the hard drive disconnects from the computer. Anyway, even if it were a problem with the power adapter, I don't see the connection between this and a mechanical failure of the hard drive. Edited February 22 by Cixert
Cixert Posted February 22 Author Posted February 22 (edited) After 15 days recovering data from the two hard disks that I did Cut-Paste on. Today I connected the new broken Toshiba disk to a third USB adapter, in another house, with another computer and it worked perfectly. I don't understand it although it seems very good to me. Has it been repaired from resting these days? Until I get the data out I'm not going to try it on the other computer with the other 2 adapters. Edited March 12 by Cixert
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