Thorium

[D.Draker]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:11 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said:

The methods I used to remove from 360Chrome do not apply to Supermium and Thorium.

Sorry for being blunt, something tells me, you just don't know what to do.

[D.Draker]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:39 PM, Karla Sleutel said:

@NotHereToPlayGames, can we get to the bottom of this? With instructions on how to remove it. I'm not that versatile, as you guys, when it comes to such procedures.

By borking up the links, I got less connections to Google on the startup, and the browser feels to start up lighter. (gut feeling).

This seems rather logical, since the browser doesn't check the extensions on start, doesn't verify them against the webstore ones.

[D.Draker]

On 11/21/2024 at 4:11 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said:

But it is not something on Ungoogled's side of things.  There are reports for the same bank not working in Brave.  It may be fixed by now in Brave, unsure, I only catch those forums once a month or so.

Brave is partially Ungoogled, unlike Thorium. Some sites require google services to be present, probably the reason win32 didn't follow the Ungoogled path.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

4 hours ago, D.Draker said:

it didn't help to get rid of "Hosted Data", but I only get the icon in my browser data.

That's what I thought, I was curious if you made it FURTHER.

I don't think you're fully there yet, to be honest.  Only TIME will tell.

I think the real test will be when CWS (ie, "part of" that HOSTED APP) removes MV2 and your browser, despite having "no connections" to CWS, will react.

I can only SPECULATE until then, but my THEORY is that no amount of any developer claiming "our goal is to maintain MV2 compatibiliy" will be 100% EFFECTIVE if this CWS HOSTED APP is "present".

It's not about it "connecting" to CWS, it's about just what is the FUNCTION of that APP being there, sitting idle, ready to pounce when it is supposed to "do" something.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Maybe a better way to explain my THEORY on the mere presence of that HOSTED APP is this - some of the XP Browsers over the years had TIME BOMBS embedded in their code.

It was VERY easy to DEFUSE those TIME BOMBS.  But that time bomb had to EXPLODE first before most of us even REALIZED that there was a TIME BOMB present at all.

I personally think that this CWS HOSTED APP is a TIME BOMB just waiting to "do its thing".

Can't prove it, just a THEORY.

If it IS a time bomb, I'll be certain to say "I told you so".  If not, you are of course encouraged to say the same.  

BUT now we have TWO variables at play.  Did YOUR time bomb not explode because of the additional modifications that you have now made?  And the untouched version of Thorium, without updating, have its time bomb explode?

Both of these events can only be tested in the future, once Google carries through with their promise of deactivating all MV2.

Edited November 22, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[D.Draker]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

my THEORY on the mere presence of that HOSTED APP is this - some of the XP Browsers over the years had TIME BOMBS embedded in their code.

You may be right, it was something similar when they moved to V2 manifest, but you may be too young to remember.

If I'm not mistaken, Chrome simply disabled "old" extensions one "wonderful" morning. 

[D.Draker]

If you saw this post, you'd give up hopes of waiting, despite the authors trying to catch up, and I give them a huge respect, they simply can't...

And without these modern ciphers, you're locked out of many cloudflare (and other) sites.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186176-x25519mlkem768-post-quantum-secure-key/?do=findComment&comment=1274931

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, D.Draker said:

but you may be too young to remember

Well, yes and no.  I lived through it.  It would have been circa 2012 or so.  By that time, I would have been one of the ex-Firefox users that got BIT by Firefox NOT being the secure browser it claimed to be.

I would have been on Sleipnir at that time, a tabbed "frontend" to IE.  I did not support Chrome nor Firefox in that era.

To this day, the one and ONLY virus any of my computers over the years had ever been infected with came in THROUGH FIREFOX.

D#mn near got me FIRED because I was a college intern and had converted the majority of the office over to Firefox and bam, our entire office and another office an hour away was shut down for three days because of Firefox.

Edited November 22, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[Sampei.Nihira]

@NotHereToPlayGames

In the past, Firefox's sandbox was far inferior to Chromium browsers,now it has caught up.
When uBlock Origin did not yet exist,using Noscript (not default settings) would have solved 90% of security problems even if Firefox was used with default settings (bad idea).
But in this forum it seems to me that security is not important.
You who use W.10 might also try (I obviously don't care much if you do or not) some alternative to Ungoogled:

https://privacytests.org/

 

 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Your whole argument (seems to) and even your link cite "default settings".

I promise you, NOBODY here at MSFN is using "default settings".

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

https://privacytests.org/

It's too bad they didn't run their tests on ICECAT.

I'm actually guite fond of my preliminary experiments with ICECAT.

[Sampei.Nihira]

2 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Your whole argument (seems to) and even your link cite "default settings".

I promise you, NOBODY here at MSFN is using "default settings".

This is the rule to be followed at all times.

[jumper]

So for Thorium on XP, what default settings should I be changing?

 

[Sampei.Nihira]

I don't think it is possible to write (in a short time) all the parameters that you would have to change to get a more secure and private browser.
If of course you are interested in that,otherwise it is indifferent.

Also the settings of uBlock Origin are different in my Edge than in Firefox.

You can see an example in the 2 screenshots below where I type in the search engine I use the same topic:

FF:

Edge:

[jumper]

> I don't think it is possible to write (in a short time) all the parameters that you would have to change to get a more secure and private browser.

How about some, then?

 

> Also the settings of uBlock Origin are different in my Edge than in Firefox.

Let's start with Thorium settings first.