Thorium

[Klemper]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

That's why!  These "vulkan" files (as far as I have WITNESSED) are only needed for XP x64.  They're not needed for XP x86.  They're not needed in Vista.  They're not needed in Win7.  They're not needed in Win10.

I do not have any 8.1 machines to test whether they are needed or not.  But it is a VERY SAFE assumption that they are NOT needed based on Vista/7/10.

I can probably check on my old notebook, it will take time tho.

But hey, 8.1 is an "older NT OS", is it not? I hope I didn't post off-topic.

[AstroSkipper]

@NotHereToPlayGames You should not fall into the belief that @AstroSkipper is plagued by bias and narrow-mindedness. As a scientist and mathematician, it is a matter of course to open the mind in all directions. Hypotheses are made and either accepted or rejected. Assertions, on the other hand, have to be proven. Since I formulated the relation between Thorium crashes and the non-existence of POSReady updates in a Windows XP installation as a hypothesis from the outset, there is of course the possibility of accepting a hypothesis that is simply wrong, which is called an type II error in statistics. I made this clear from the very beginning.  My investigations go in all directions. From the beginning, an alternative theory was that some loaded modules, programmes or drivers could be responsible for the Thorium crashes. I am investigating my problem in all possible directions as I always do. 

Edited August 14, 2024 by AstroSkipper

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Awesome!  I'm hoping you find the root cause.  I'm an engineer.  My engineering mind says your issue has NOTHING to do with POSReady.

If you lived within a 100-mile radius, I would personally volunteer to borrow your computer and install all of those POSReady updates ONE AT A TIME.

Yes, I was under the impression that your radar was targeting POSReady as a "requirement" to run Thorium SSE2.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

42 minutes ago, Klemper said:

I can probably check on my old notebook, it will take time tho.

But hey, 8.1 is an "older NT OS", is it not? I hope I didn't post off-topic.

It's definitely older and definitely on-topic.  

[AstroSkipper]

26 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Awesome!  I'm hoping you find the root cause.

TBH, so far I have been able to find and even fix every error in my Windows XP partitions. My personal statistics therefore clearly indicate that I will also eliminate this issue.

26 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

My engineering mind says your issue has NOTHING to do with POSReady.

The current, empirically obtained data from other users does not, of course, confirm my null hypothesis H0.

26 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Yes, I was under the impression that your radar was targeting POSReady as a "requirement" to run Thorium SSE2.

As I said before, I am not willing to install POSReady updates in my Windows XP Pro SP3-only partition. So I need to take alternative options and investigate them in depth. 

Edited August 14, 2024 by AstroSkipper

[Dixel]

11 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

As I said before, I am not willing to install POSReady updates in my Windows XP Pro SP3-only partition. So I need to take alternative options and investigate them in depth. 

I'd start with removing outdated VC redist packs, they are known to cause issues, on XP especially. If you ever had them, remove all remnants.

I don't install those at all.

[Dixel]

12 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

What OS are you running?

Chrome doesn't request those to be present on any OS.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

They are required in XP x64.  I will NEVER convince you otherwise.  NOT my fight!  I can only tell you what I have witnessed in Thorium and in 360Chrome and in Supermium and in Ungoogled.  ALL OF THEM !!!

XP x64 only.  This is YOUR fight, not MINE.  Please contact the DEVELOPER if you wish to dive deeper.

Granted, my ONLY issue "when I take your advice" and remove these, the ONLY issue is FIRST LAUNCH after a reboot or coming out of hibernate.

Without these, in XP x64, Thorium crashes on first launch after reboot, 360Chrome crashes on first launch after reboot, Supermium crashes on first launch after reboot, Ungoogled crashes on first launch after reboot.

Again, please contact the DEVELOPER, they are there for a REASON and you ASSUME that just because Chrome-based works for YOU on YOUR system WITHOUT these, "then it must work for everyone".

I can only tell you what I have witnessed.  In Thorium.  In 360Chrome.  In Supermium.  In Ungoogled.  ON MY SYSTEM.  In XP x64 only.

Contact the developer.  Ask him/her WHY these vulkan files are NEEDED for first launch after reboot or hibernate.

I REALLY DON'T CARE.  You are just trying to prove your "advice" correct.  Your advice DOES NOT WORK in XP x64.  First launch after reboot or hibernate.  MY computer.

Go out and buy a Dell XPS 8700, install XP x64.  Or contact the developer.  This "I get the last word" or "I'm always right" is kind of UNCALLED FOR.

[AstroSkipper]

17 minutes ago, Dixel said:

I'd start with removing outdated VC redist packs, they are known to cause issues, on XP especially. If you ever had them, remove all remnants.

I don't install those at all.

I have installed all Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable Packages up to the last XP-compatible version 2019. You can't really determine which packages are outdated or not as older programmes need very often older VC++ versions. And I don't think these package are responsible for the Thorium crashes as they all are also installed in my Windows XP Pro SP3 + POSReady partition. And there, all is fine.

Edited August 14, 2024 by AstroSkipper
correction

[NotHereToPlayGames]

9 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

I have installed all Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable Packages

Same here.  Not in my VM, but on my real hardware (I would have to verify the 2019 version or not).  Thorium works for me both with these and without these.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Vulkan has been backported to XP and 2003  --  https://msfn.org/board/topic/176697-vulkan-backport/

Perhaps UPSTREAM has embedded these into the Chromium BASE?

And anything forked from them (Thorium, Supermium, 360Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, Ungoogled, cromite, Arc, Yandex, Kiwi, Iridium, Iron, Fulguris, Cent, you get the point) will all behave identically.

I just wish that you had XP x64 so that you could WITNESS this phenomenon firsthand.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

I can report that I'm finding several LINUX reports of the same (Chrome/Chromium crashes on first launch after reboot, additional launches work just fine).

The LINUX crowd is suggesting --use-gl=desktop but I suspect this to be a Linux-Only Chrome/Chromium flag.

Seems to date back to Chrome v85 and only with nVidia (my home computer is nVidia).

Linux crowd reports v84 to be just fine.

Another suggestion is to open Chrome's "task manager" and to END TASK for GPU Process.

I have not tried that, when Thorium or Supermium or 360Chrome or Ungoogled, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, crashes, I just assumed that the browser's task manager was also crashed.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

nVidia web sites also confirm.  They post a guide on configuring "power management support".

Not sure if I will get around to testing, to be honest.  My primary OS is now Win10.  But I do have multiple XP machines, no partitions, just XP.

But those computers are SSSLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW - when I retire, I'll have all the time in the world to sit and wait...  and wait...  and wait...  LOL

[Dixel]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Vulkan has been backported to XP and 2003  --  https://msfn.org/board/topic/176697-vulkan-backport/

Perhaps UPSTREAM has embedded these into the Chromium BASE?

 

Spam/rumours/fake_news/hearsay topic that was locked for a good reason, yet you continue to spread those falsehoods.

[Dixel]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Perhaps UPSTREAM has embedded these into the Chromium BASE?

And anything forked from them (Thorium, Supermium, 360Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, Ungoogled, cromite, Arc, Yandex, Kiwi, Iridium, Iron, Fulguris, Cent, you get the point) will all behave identically.

I just wish that you had XP x64 so that you could WITNESS this phenomenon firsthand.

Thorium, Supermium use DX9 acceleration on XP (but only if forced via flags). It's written at github.

Not a word about Vulkan, of course.