Thorium

[AstroSkipper]

1 minute ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Since you edited to add bold and underline.

You may want to consider that I am very likely the ONLY member of MSFN that runs XP (both x86 and x64), both in VM and real era-correct hardware (slower performance than yours, as I recall), that does NOT install POSReady.

I added bold and underline to be sure that everyone is asked here. This has nothing at all to do with your answer, for which I have already thanked you. You should calibrate your sensor a little. It is set too sensitively. 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

19 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

Are there any specific requirements for Thorium in terms of system software, especially regarding runtime libraries and so on?

Not that I'm aware of.  But I know that it runs in my XP VM with zero runtimes installed - no .NET, no DirectX, no Java, no Visual C++, no runtimes of any kind.  I install runtimes in my real XP machines, but I want my VM to be as tiny as possible.

[AstroSkipper]

1 hour ago, AstroSkipper said:

Now, a question to all who are running Thorium under Windows XP Professional SP3 with all updates after SP3 but without any POSReady updates. Does Thorium work under these conditions?  I have two Windows XP installations, one with and one without POSReady updates. When I start Thorium on Windows XP without POSReady updates, it crashes randomly without any messages. With crashing I mean a sudden closing of the browser without any actions by me, either directly when starting the browser or seconds respectively minutes later. 

Any ideas what can cause these sudden closings of Thorium?   My hardware can't be the causer, though. Has anyone had similar problems? 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

6 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

Any ideas what can cause these sudden closings of Thorium?

What is RAM utilization at time of crash?  Over 80%?

[AstroSkipper]

1 minute ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Not that I'm aware of.  But I know that it runs in my XP VM with zero runtimes installed - no .NET, no DirectX, no Java, no Visual C++, no runtimes of any kind.  I install runtimes in my real XP machines, but I want my VM to be as tiny as possible.

That's good to know. In both systems, all runtimes have been installed.

[AstroSkipper]

1 minute ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

What is RAM utilization at time of crash?  Over 80%?

Sometimes high, sometimes low. I can't recognise any particular pattern.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Is it base Thorium crashing?  Or Thorium "plus" a handful of extensions?

My only Thorium is "base", no extensions, no flags, just ran directly from the portable .bat.

Until it becomes truly "ungoogled", it's really just something I follow the development of and see if it matures into something of use to me - it's not technically there yet, but I do have high hopes.  Higher than Supermium, at least "so far".

[AstroSkipper]

24 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Is it base Thorium crashing?  Or Thorium "plus" a handful of extensions?

My only Thorium is "base", no extensions, no flags, just ran directly from the portable .bat.

I tried both. The last try was native Thorium without anything. No extensions, no additional flags and no Chrome XP API Adapter from IDA-RE-things, following the main principle to go back to the roots if it doesn't work. 

Edited August 10, 2024 by AstroSkipper
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[Saxon]

12 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

I tried both. The last try was native Thorium without anything. No extensions, no additional flags and no Chrome XP API Adapter from IDA-RE-things, following the main principle to go back to the roots if it doesn't work. 

Hello our dear @Astroskipper, the pillar of wisdom! How do you do? @D.Draker taught me to delete Vulkan, Swiftshader and D3D 47, perhaps try it? Have a nice evening!

[AstroSkipper]

4 hours ago, Saxon said:

Hello our dear @Astroskipper, the pillar of wisdom! How do you do? @D.Draker taught me to delete Vulkan, Swiftshader and D3D 47, perhaps try it? Have a nice evening!

Thanks for the nice compliment and for the tip!  There is definitely nothing I wouldn't try to solve these crappy crashes. Strangely, Thorium works perfectly in my Windows XP SP3 POSReady installation, i.e., without any crashes. And there, these DLL files exist from the very first. 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

11 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

Strangely, Thorium works perfectly in my Windows XP SP3 POSReady installation

Still very strange.  Thorium works great for me without POSReady.

I can easily "clone" my XP VM and install POSReady if that helps in this "investigation".

It's quite confusing how Thorium can work FLAWLESSLY for me without POSReady but crash for you.

For your "without" POSReady - are you referring to a "real" XP from the ground up?  Or are you referring to a POSReady XP that later had the POSReady "uninstalled"?

[AstroSkipper]

2 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

For your "without" POSReady - are you referring to a "real" XP from the ground up?

Yep! A clean, genuine Windows XP Professional. Only the service pack SP3 and all post SP3 updates until 2014. POSReady stuff has never been applied to this partition.

Edited August 11, 2024 by AstroSkipper

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Still quite strange!  You're a self-proclaimed "mathematician", so as you know, TWO data points do NOT form a hypothesis.

Seems to me that the variable that needs changed for this research is no longer POSReady=0 versus POSReady=1 but something else.

Can you perform this test between two different CPUs?  Both of them with POSReady=0!  Both of them with XP + SP3 + post-SP3 thru 2014.

Edited August 11, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[AstroSkipper]

22 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

You're a self-proclaimed "mathematician",

Just for clarification. I am not a self-proclaimed "mathematician" but just a mathematician.  I have not announced anything here, but only mentioned it in passing. No more, no less.  As part of my search for the cause of the spontaneous Thorium crashes, I formed a lot of hypotheses and had to unfortunately reject them. And I have investigated many things as part of my hypotheses. But so far without success. 

[Saxon]

12 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

You're a self-proclaimed "mathematician"

A native English speaker would tell: "you said you were a mathematician".