Dietmar Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Hi, is there an easy test, if any tool can make TRIM successful on any SSD or nvme disk? I ask this, because I checked a lot of tools under XP SP3, but still I am not sure, if TRIM works on a nvme disk. Under Win10, after running TRIM with any tool, Win10 tells, that no TRIM has been done on this nvme device Dietmar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dietmar said: Hi, is there an easy test, if any tool can make TRIM successful on any SSD or nvme disk? I ask this, because I checked a lot of tools under XP SP3, but still I am not sure, if TRIM works on a nvme disk. Under Win10, after running TRIM with any tool, Win10 tells, that no TRIM has been done on this nvme device Dietmar Hello @Dietmar! Trimcheck does this job. I don't know if it is XP-compatible. But I think you will see it when starting this tool. The last/latest version is Trimcheck 0.7 which you can get here: http://files.thecybershadow.net/trimcheck/ Older versions are also available there. Cheers, AstroSkipper 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietmar Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 @AstroSkipper I just test Trimcheck 0.7 under XP SP3. For TRIM I use OODefrag17ProfessionalEnu. Trimcheck tells me after this procedure, that no TRIM has been done on the Samsung 970 Pro nvme disk running under XP SP3 as bootdevice Dietmar 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dietmar said: @AstroSkipper I just test Trimcheck 0.7 under XP SP3. For TRIM I use OODefrag17ProfessionalEnu. Trimcheck tells me after this procedure, that no TRIM has been done on the Samsung 970 Pro nvme disk running under XP SP3 as bootdevice Dietmar Glad to hear that this tool is working under Windows XP. BTW, I use O&O Defrag Professional 17.5.559.0, too. A great defragmenter (although SSD drives do not need to be defragmented)! In any case, the best I ever used to optimise HDDs under Windows XP. But I do not use SSDs under Windows XP. Maybe, you try a tool from the manufacturer, in your case Samsung, to trim your SSD. If such a tool also failed, you would know that presumably a trim is not possible under this configuration (hardware and OS). Or, try to perform a trim using a Linux Live System via DVD! Linux works often much better if hardware problems occur. Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited October 5, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) @Dietmar I forgot to ask whether TRIM is activated on your SSD at all. Try this cmd command to check it: fsutil behavior set DisableDeleteNotify. If the output is 1, it is disabled. To activate TRIM use this command: fsutil behavior set DisableDeleteNotify 0. Or, use a tool like SSD-Z if your SSD drive is supported. Edited October 4, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietmar Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 @AstroSkipper On Win10, I can TRIM this nvme device easy. So it looks, that until now no nvme TRIM tool is on the market, that runs under XP SP3 Dietmar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dietmar said: @AstroSkipper On Win10, I can TRIM this nvme device easy. So it looks, that until now no nvme TRIM tool is on the market, that runs under XP SP3 Dietmar I found two links (German websites) abour TRIM under Windows XP: https://www.pcwelt-forum.de/threads/trim-bei-win-xp-ausfuehren-geloest.514205/index.html https://www.die-oswalds.de/blog/2019/09/25/windows-xp-und-die-ssd/#:~:text=Windows XP unterstützt noch kein,TRIM-Support vom OS überflüssig. And you can try out the manufacturer's tool Samsung Magician: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/support/tools/ PS: Thanks to this new annoyance called Flood Control I had to wait 1400 sec to post this reply. No chance to reply as usual. Always a message about a too short time frame blablabla. I am really glad to be a normal member. Edited October 4, 2023 by AstroSkipper Update of content 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-H Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 We've been suffering a spam attack, that's why flood control was enabled. Hopefully it won't have to be left enabled permanently! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reboot12 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Dietmar said: is there an easy test, if any tool can make TRIM successful on any SSD or nvme disk? I wrote about it recently: TRIM on NVMe I thought TRIM did not work but it turned out that I used a too small file for manual testing: Too small file for test TRIM If your file system is NTFS and the file is small, it is a resident file, it does not get a separate cluster, it is stored inside the $MFT record. And because the record is part of the $MFT file, it is also properly shocked in the 0x80 record attribute describing this file. That's why TRIM has no right to bite him: The trimcheck-0.7 program does a TRIM test with a 64MB file. O&O Defrag v17.5.559 + NVMe 1.3 Stchrom driver = TRIM not works O&O Defrag v17.5.559 + ported NVMe Generic_NVMe_6.1.7601.23403 or Samsung_NVMe_3.3.0.2003 driver = TRIM works Edited October 5, 2023 by reboot12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) @Dietmar FYI, there are already three other threads on the subject of TRIM under Windows XP here in the forum. I don't know if you have looked through them yet. Here are the links: https://msfn.org/board/topic/181729-ssd-toolkit-for-xp/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/184168-trim-on-nvme-disk-under-winxp/#comment-1231474 https://msfn.org/board/topic/173482-can-windows-xp-pro-x86-safely-trim-an-ssd/ Cheers, AstroSkipper Edited October 6, 2023 by AstroSkipper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietmar Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 @AstroSkipper Now I do not think, that Trimcheck 0.7 is a tool, that can always correct tell, it a TRIM operation has been done successfull or not. I make a try for to see this behavior with my 970 Pro nvme disk. Under win10 I use TRIM. Before I set up this jason file from Trimcheck. But after TRIM via Win10, Trimcheck still tells, that no TRIM has been done on this disk. I know to 100%, that TRIM from win10 works on this nvme disk. So, until now to valid prove, if TRIM happens or not Dietmar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dietmar said: @AstroSkipper Now I do not think, that Trimcheck 0.7 is a tool, that can always correct tell, it a TRIM operation has been done successfull or not. I make a try for to see this behavior with my 970 Pro nvme disk. Under win10 I use TRIM. Before I set up this jason file from Trimcheck. But after TRIM via Win10, Trimcheck still tells, that no TRIM has been done on this disk. I know to 100%, that TRIM from win10 works on this nvme disk. So, until now to valid prove, if TRIM happens or not Dietmar Here is a link explaining what Trimcheck actually does to prove whether a TRIM command was performed successfully or not: https://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/latest-buzz/trimcheck-does-your-ssd-really-have-trim-working/ Maybe, it is useful for you to shed more light on this matter. Greetings, AstroSkipper Edited October 6, 2023 by AstroSkipper 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) @LiveXP Sorry, I meant @reboot12 JFYI and for the record, the limit in size for $MFT resident files is around 740 bytes on normal 512 bytes/sector device ($MFT entry size 1024 bytes) and around 3770 for 4k sector device ($MFT entry size 4096 bytes): https://www.forensicfocus.com/forums/general/mft-resident-data/ jaclaz Edited October 7, 2023 by jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroSkipper Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) @jaclaz Who is @LiveXP and what does your post have to do with TRIM under Windows XP? @AstroSkipper Edited October 7, 2023 by AstroSkipper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 My bad, I meant member reboot12. He mentioned a problem with a file residing in the $MFT, and I posted the actual size limits (he must have tested the trim with a very small file). jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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