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Has MS started already with their all-in-one updates for Win8?

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Checking for Win81 updates, I think I see now less updates available than the last time I checked (without applying), 3 weeks ago. An atypically big one, at 100MB+, is KB3172614 "July 2016 update rollup".

I thought Microsoft's new all-in-one update strategy for Win7/8 starts October. Am I missing something?

Apparently we're already in the new age of forced all-or-nothing updating. Are there already 3rd party tools to completely disable/disarm/modify Microsoft's telemetry mechanisms in Win8?


 

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On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 9:49 AM, shae said:

Checking for Win81 updates, I think I see now less updates available than the last time I checked (without applying), 3 weeks ago. An atypically big one, at 100MB+, is KB3172614 "July 2016 update rollup".

I thought Microsoft's new all-in-one update strategy for Win7/8 starts October. Am I missing something?

Apparently we're already in the new age of forced all-or-nothing updating. Are there already 3rd party tools to completely disable/disarm/modify Microsoft's telemetry mechanisms in Win8?


 

I also understood we weren't getting these cumulative updates until October.  Now when I was on the September 2016 Bulletins Page, the separate Windows 8.1 updates were there.

Could there have just been an older update offered up that you did not previously install?

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There are multiple updates available, but the last time I checked there were more, and I didn't install any of them back then.

Also the size of this July update is atypically big.
 

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The Windows 8.1 updates are single update roll-ups now every month of course, but what is it with these huge "preview" updates that are appearing in between patch Tuesdays?
Anyone know what the point of them is?
:unsure:
 

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On 11/16/2016 at 8:24 AM, Dave-H said:

...what is it with these huge "preview" updates that are appearing in between patch Tuesdays?

On 11/16/2016 at 8:24 AM, Dave-H said:

Anyone know what the point of them is?

I think it's an attempt by MS to make Windows 8.1 and 10 as bloated and unreliable as Windows 10 :lol:

In all honesty, though, I don't know what they're for.

c

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I just install the security only updates.  So far, it's worked well.

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How do you do that if all the updates are rolled up into one file?
Do you identify what's actually in the roll-up and then download and install just the updates you want separately without using Windows Update?
:unsure:
 

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FYI, a couple of weeks ago using my Win 8.1 VM I vetted the full monty of available Win 8.1 updates via Windows Update. that's ALL pending updates except several that I have hidden over time, cumulative and otherwise, that had gotten on the list since July:

Having researched the updates and tested thoroughly for 2 days on the VM for functionality and finding nothing broken, I then let Windows Update bring the whole group (minus those I've hidden in the past, and after hiding again KB2976978) onto my workstation (after double checking that my nightly system image backup had completed successfully).

Spoiler

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Updates that Win 8.1 thinks it needs on 2016-11-09:

Important (31):
    Siverlight
        KB3193713  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3193713  Security Update for Microsoft Silverlight

    Office 2010
        KB2553432  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=2553432  Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010
        KB3114400  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3114400  Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010
        KB3114885  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3114885  Security Update for Microsoft OneNote 2010
        KB3115120  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3115120  Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010
        KB3115475  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3115475  Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010
        KB3118309  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3118309  Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010
        KB3118313  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3118313  Security Update for Microsoft Outlook 2010
        KB3118378  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3118378  Security Update for Microsoft PowerPoint 2010
        KB3118390  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3118390  Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010
        KB3118393  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3118393  Update for Microsoft Project 2010
        KB3127953  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3127953  Security Update for Microsoft Word 2010

    Windows 8.1
        KB3163247  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3163247  ^Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 on Windows 8.1
        KB3164024  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3164024  ^Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6 and 4.6.1 on Windows 8.1
        KB3169704  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3169704  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3170455  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3170455  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3172729  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3172729  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3173424  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3173424  ^Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3174644  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3174644  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3175024  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3175024  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3177186  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3177186  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3178539  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3178539  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3182203  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3182203  ^Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3184122  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3184122  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3184943  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3184943  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3185911  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3185911  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3187754  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3187754  ^Security Update for Windows 8.1
        KB3188743  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3188743  ^October, 2016 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5 for Windows 8.1
        KB3197868  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3197868  ^November Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012
        KB3197874  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3197874  ^November, 2016 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
        KB3202790  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3202790  ^Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 8.1

Optional (6):

    Windows 8.1
        KB3186208  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3186208  ^Reliability Rollup for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6 and 4.6.1 on Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 for x64
        KB3161102  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3161102  ^Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
        KB3172614  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3172614  ^Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
        KB3179574  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3179574  ^Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
        KB3184143  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3184143  ^Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems

        Showed up as un-hidden - absolutely don't install this!
        KB2976978  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=2976978  Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (CEIP Diagnostics)

^Entries marked with a carat above were installed in W81EVM ahead of time without obvious downsides
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Disposition:

    KB2976978 re-hidden.
    All Office 2010 updates Installed manually on VM 11/10/2016
    Windows Updates KB3193713, KB3174644, KB3184122 installed manually on VM 11/11/2016
    All others installed via Windows Update on VM 11/11/2016
	All updates installed via Windows Update on workstation 11/13/2016	
    Reboot of workstation needed on 11/15/2016 because of Visual Studio installer run, no problems
    All systems still AOK on 11/21/2016.  Workstation uptime is 6 days.

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So far, neither on the VM nor on the host system itself, have I found any reason to dislike the updates.  I've now done a week's intensive engineering work with the workstation and have had good results.

I was very hesitant to do this, and believe me I spent a LOT of time on research and testing, but for what it's worth Microsoft might be being very, very careful this time around so as not to be able to be said they "failed" with the cumulative update rollout.

So, based on my (limited) experience, I'd say the current round of updates isn't bad.  I'm not going to blithely go back to just taking what Microsoft shovels, though.

-Noel

Edited by NoelC

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On 11/20/2016 at 1:31 PM, Dave-H said:

How do you do that if all the updates are rolled up into one file?
Do you identify what's actually in the roll-up and then download and install just the updates you want separately without using Windows Update?
:unsure:
 

I download the Security Only update which is not a month to month rollup.  Only the security updates for that month are wrapped up in one file.  It is not served to the user through Windows Update.  You have to go get it from the Microsoft Update Catalog.

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Thanks Jody, I wasn't actually aware of that option!
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Your welcome Dave.  It was especially confusing because on the first moth of this new format (October 2016) I was able to get the update on a web page actually devoted to it, then in November it was only available via the Catalog.

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@JodyT
Hmm, not making it easy are they?
:no:
@NoelC
Have you any idea what the purpose of these strange (and huge) "preview" updates is?
:unsure:
 

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Not sure what you mean by "preview" updates...

I haven't checked again for updates since bringing my Win 8.1 system up to date a week and a half ago.  Has something new appeared?

FYI there's always a lot of good discussion about which updates do what on Woody Leonhard's blog (AskWoody.com).

-Noel

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