Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ok,so one day I booted up my Windows XP computer(specs below) and it said"Primary hard disk drive 0 failure""Strike the F1 key to continue,F2 to run setup utility"I had no clue what happened.Virus?I have N360.I think the thing may be a hard drive failure after all.I need a way to get my important files back,and even restore WinXP on the computer.Is there any way? Specs:Windows XP Professional,Dell Optiplex GX260,Intel Celeron Processor,750 mhz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda43 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) Take it to a professional computer tech. Edited May 11, 2014 by Andromeda43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponch Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 That PC will be over 15 years old... If there is any chance they've been touched by something (mice , or maybe the case has been open), you could try resetting the cables that connect your hard drive and maybe an other (slave) device to the motherboard and to the power supply. Check cables at both ends. If nothing has moved, check (feel) if the disk is spinning. If not, try an other power cable. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntoMX Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Try the drive in another system, might be a motherboard or PSU failure. If it's seen by another system then backup your information. Backup your information next time at all times; computers (electronics) do not last forever. a ) If it's not seen (in the BIOS) by another system you might need professional data recovery that recover at hardware level.b ) If it's seen (in the BIOS) you might be able to access it and try software like DMDE if the data structure is messed up. I hope you get your data back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointertovoid Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The error message can have many origins. Testing the disk would be one sensible action. To do that, use the special software offered by the exact manufacturer of the disk. Here are some:Hitachi Dos http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/downloads/dft32_v416_b00.isoHitachi Windows http://www.hgst.com/support/downloads/ (in 2013) WD http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=4&swid=3more at Seagate, ex-Samsung - and for laptops, Toshiba etc. Most such software thankfully boots on a diskette or Cdrom, which must first be created using the downloaded programme. In other words, the test is NOT done under Windows, but Dos or some other OS, sometimes none at all. In that way, the test is independent of Windows errors or viruses. Who exacly displays your error message is a bit unclear - is it the Bios ? You could activate the Smart check in the Bios, it may tell you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 I don't know,as in the BIOS it says "Hard Drive Not Installed",as well as "Floppy Disk Drive A: Not Installed",but the IDE CD-ROM Device says it works.Also,I saw this after an update.Maybe that update was fatal and killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 OK, let's clear some possibly wrong guesses. That message comes from the BIOS. (last character in the above is a full stop or period) It means that the BIOS cannot detect the hard disk at all. Possible causes of such message are:bad/unseated data cable <- more common than you might expect bad/unseated power cable <- quite rare bad (aged) PSU (i.e. simply not providing at boot time enough power on either the +5 V or +12 V rails <- also more common than you might expect failed soldering of the connectors (on either the motherboard or the disk drive PCB) <- rare, but it happens another bad (cold) soldering (on either the motherboard or the disk drive PCB) <- also rare another defect of *some kind* (on either the motherboard or the disk drive PCB) corruption of the BIOS <- very rare Other <- you never knowThe FIRST thing to try is:disconnect and reconnect the cables (both data and power) from the hard disk, and, in the case of the data connector also on the motherboard sideThe SECOND thing to try is:replace the data cable with another one surely workingThe THIRD thing to try is:disassemble the hard disk from that PC and - holding it in your hand while powering up the machine, feel if it's spinning up.The FOURTH thing to try is:try it in on another PC, either by directly connecting it to the internal connectors or using a USB adapter@BriansurvivedwindowsmeUntil you will have performed the above four tests and reported results, there is nothing that we can advise you.Please also post the EXACT make/model of the hard disk drive. jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntoMX Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I would like to add number five to your list: Remove PCB and clean contacts that touch the motor connector (only if you know what you are doing!). But yes, first see if the harddrive spins up. You make it a list to follow-up, but it can be done randomly; I would start with number 4 if and when it's possible. Why?: I've seen southbridges go bad due to overloaded USB ports (older systems are simply NOT made for loading your modern smart-"phone". The Dell GX260 is so known for bad capacitors and southbridges going bad (or the electronics around that chip). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 @puntoMXSure . They are listed in order of "less tools/materials needed".For #1 you ONLY need the PC and the tools (if any are needed) to open the case.For #2 you need the above and a new/known to be working cableFor #3 you need besides the above (possibly more) tools to remove the disk from the caseFor #4 you need another PC with a suitable bus (IDE or SATA) the tools to open that other case or a suitable USB adapter. For the added #5 you need still more tools (that nowadays mean normally a teeny-tiny Torx screwdriver, smaller than the ones that come in common "generic" kits), and, as you pointed out, it makes sense only if the disk is not spinning. In my experience a non-spinning disk will usually be anyway detected by BIOS, as well as one with (for whatever reasons) insulation between the PCB and either the heads or motor contacts, though with the "PCB generic name" or with a string of "garbage characters". jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 It does indeed smell like something is burnt,and when I restart it makes noises like "cling".Maybe the power for the hard drive wire burned out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 It does indeed smell like something is burnt,and when I restart it makes noises like "cling".Maybe the power for the hard drive wire burned out?It would be very uncommon, but of course everything is possible. jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Oh god,today I started it up and it won't even show the hard drive message.The loading bar gets to the end,and it beeps so quick I thought the computer would explode.But it still boots to the BIOS and Boot Menu.The thing that is on the hard drive "cd" like one of those old music players has trouble and keeps scratching.I think that thing scratched the hell out of the hard drive. Edited June 8, 2014 by Briansurvivedwindowsme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bphlpt Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 In the last month have you tried to plug the HDD into another computer with known good cables and copy the data you want to be sure to keep off to a different drive? (Which would have also helped confirm whether the problem is indeed with the drive or some other part of the system such as the power supply or motherboard.) Or is this just some kind of running blog where you are keeping us apprised of all the symptoms of your dying machine as it goes through its death throes as you just sit back and watch doing nothing to help it? Ok,so one day I booted up my Windows XP computer(specs below) and it said"Primary hard disk drive 0 failure"...Also,I saw this after an update.Maybe that update was fatal and killed it....It does indeed smell like something is burnt,and when I restart it makes noises like "cling".Maybe the power for the hard drive wire burned out?...Oh god,today I started it up and it won't even show the hard drive message. ... I thought the computer would explode. ... I think that thing scratched the hell out of the hard drive.I'm not sure what you are looking for from us. I haven't seen any reports from you that you have tried to do anything that was suggested to help diagnose the problem, you have just reported its deteriorating condition. We can't fix it for you over the Internet. You are going to have to do some work yourself. Good luck, it looks like you will need it.Cheers and Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Thanks,I removed the hard drive from the machine,and I ordered an SCSI wire to plug into a working computer.Today apparently the continuous beeping stopped.It's quite weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briansurvivedwindowsme Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think I know what has been the cause.It was updating,and at one update it stopped completely:which is death for Windows.There was no way out,and waiting wouldn't help,as I already did for a few days.Maybe I need an Emergency Floppy,or XP CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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