Offler Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 (edited) I have developed easy to use ranking system which will help us to find which games are able to work on win9x. It is quite simple.Tools:Dependency Walkerhttp://www.dependencywalker.com/"Can You Run it?" web toolhttp://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtestExplanationRank 1:Game is officially able to run on Windows 9x systems and it worksRank 2:Game is oficially unable to run on Windows 9x but with updated system game runs. Edit: add here games which are officially unable to run on win9x but they run even without patching.Rank 3:Game is oficially able to run on Windows 9x but it does not run at all (due any reason).PLEASE ADD LIST OF MISSING DLL EXPORTS AND REASON WHY GAME DIDNT RUNRank 4:Game is oficially not able to run on Windows 9x and it does not run even when kernelEX is applied. PLEASE ADD LIST OF MISSING DLL EXPORTS AND REASON WHY GAME DIDNT RUNRank 5:Game or engine developed oficially for Windows 9x, which after years is losing its compatibility during updatin - updating of OS or Game itself.PLEASE ADD LIST OF MISSING DLL EXPORTS AND REASON WHY GAME DIDNT RUNSome of Win9x users have new games. since Kernel and other system files have quite larga number of exports we can focus on those which are really needed to be added. When you come across a game which is unable to run due a missing export or message like "needs winXP to run" run dependency walker, open its main executable (and some other executables) and send with your report all exports which were missing, including files in which the export was missing. KERNEL EX VERSION 0.3.2aRanking List Class "1":Warcraft II: Battlenet EditionWarcraft III: The Reing of ChaosWarcraft III: The Frozen ThroneHeroes Of Might and Magic IIIHeroes Of Might and Magic IVMight And Magic 6Might And Magic 7Grand Theft Auto 3Diablo IDiablo IIDiablo II: Lord of DestructionFar Cry 1Medal of Honor: Allied AssaultThe Elder Scrolls III : MorrowindThe Need For Speed IIIThe Need For Speed 5: Porsche ChallengeThe Need For Speed: Underground 2Baldur's Gate 1The NeverhoodKKNDKKND: ExtremeCommand and ConquerCommand and Conquer: Red AlertCommand and Conquer: Tiberium SunCommand and Conquer: Red Alert 2Command and Conquer: GeneralsCommand and Conquer: RenegadeDungeon KeeperLands Of Lore 2Lands Of Lore 3StarCraftStarCraft: BroodwarsFreelancerMafiaUnreal GoldUnreal TournamentUnreal IIUnreal Tournament 2004Age of Empires IAge of Empires I: The Rise of Rome ExpansionAge of Empires II: The Age of KingsAge of Empires II: The Conquerors ExpansionAge of MythologyRise of NationsRise of Nations Gold EditionBattlefield 1942Battlefield 1942: Road to RomeBattlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWIIHaloQuake IIIQuake III: Team ArenaRed FactionHalf LifeHalf Life: Team Fortress ClassicHalf Life: Counter StrikeAlien Versus Predator 1Mortal Kombat 4NHL98Dune 2000CommandosUbikCivilization IIWing Commander: Secret OpsSpellcrossGuildwarsTomb Raider 1Tomb Raider 2Tomb Raider 3Tomb Raider 4Tomb Raider 5Tomb Raider 6The Need for Speed 1The Need for Speed 2The Need for Speed 3: Most WantedThe Need for Speed 5: Porsche ChallengeThe Need for Speed : UndergroundThe Sims 2 + All additionThe punishergothic 1gothic 2moto racer 3 gold editionmotoGPmotoGp2call of duty + Additionfifa 05pes 05bus drivercode of honorgta vice citysplinter cell 1,2swat 4matrix (It is cut)prince of persia Sands of timesprince of persia Soul of warriorunreal 2004wolfenstein enemy territory flatoutguilty gear X2guilty gear isuka (At hold-down xp office)freedom fightersXIIIchrome + additionevil dead regenerationsuffering ties that bindrichard burns rallymidnight club 2alarm cobra nitroxpand rallymax payne 1max payne 2colin 3,4bloodraynebloodrayne 2Half life 2Ranking List Class "2"The Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion (with trouble)PreyDoom 3Quake 4Grand Theft Auto III : San AndreasAlien ArenaTorino 2006Civilization IVCivilization IV WarlordsCivilization IV Beyond the swordAlpine Ski Racing 2007 Need For Speed : Most WantedHeroes of Might and Magic 5 (windows version masq. for install + kernelx + patch 1.41 (i think))Heroes of Might and Magic 5 - Hammers of Fate (windows version masq. for install + kernelx + patch 2.0)F.E.A.R. Perseus MandateF.E.A.R Alarm Cobra NitroAlarm Cobra Crash timeEnemy Territory: Quake Wars The Mark El Matador Ranking List Class "3"Halflife 2 - Episode One (Reason - SteamEngine)BTAS: Zak McKracken - between time and space (http://www.zak2.org/zak2/cms/front_content.php?idart=33&idcat=1&changelang=2) (wxWidgets bug for windows9x systems, worked around by kernelx)Ranking List Class "4"S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl (Reason - unknown. Bugtracker error? exports are OK)Age of Empires III (GDI32.dll : AddFontMemResourceEx)Red Alert - A path beyond BetaFinal - (error message window not visible, exports ok)Rank 4:Heroes of Might and Magic 5 (with patch >= 1.5 - saving is not working anymore, no folder found)Heroes of Might and Magic 5 - Hammers of Fate (with patch 2.1 - saving is not working anymore, no folder found)Supreme Commander (numerous missing exports) Ranking List Class "5":Ultima Online (Reason - BSOD related to afvxd.vxd on logon)Steam Engine (reason - artifical block, two missing exports)Mechwarriors 2: Mercenaries (requires patch 1.05p or above when used with kernelEX)The Need for Speed 4: High Stakes (Reason - unknown or KernelEX)This list shall be updated, and reasons added. Edited November 8, 2008 by Offler
j7n Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 (edited) Rank 1:Need for Speed Underground 2Rank 2:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (shouldn't run on Win98 but runs anyway)I wonder why GTA-SA has Win2000 as a system requirement. It could be possible that some secondary bloat bundled with the game requires WinNT, while the real game itself runs. Is there a Steamless HL2?Perhaps specify exactly how old games may be listed. Edited February 16, 2008 by j7n
Offler Posted February 15, 2008 Author Posted February 15, 2008 Rank 1:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (shouldn't run on Win98 but runs anyway)Need for Speed Underground 2I wonder why GTA-SA has Win2000 as a system requirement. It could be possible that some secondary bloat bundled with the game requires WinNT, while the real game itself runs. Is there a Steamless HL2?Perhaps specify exactly how old games may be listed.I am looking for steamless HL2 but i found only crack 1,8Gb large. Also if San Adreas has written on booklet and in "Can you run it" tool "Required Win2k/XP" and the game runs it belongs to rank 2 no matter if it needs kernel ex or not.Also age... i am not sure about it. Still complete list of win9x games is much longer as games which are not compatible and quite much of them are still available. And not only low rated products, but very good games. Add them all
awergh Posted February 16, 2008 Posted February 16, 2008 Rank 1:Unreal GoldUnreal TournamentUnreal IIUnreal Tournament 2004Age of Empires IAge of Empires I: The Rise of Rome ExpansionAge of Empires II: The Age of KingsAge of Empires II: The Conquerors ExpansionAge of MythologyRise of NationsRise of Nations Gold EditionBattlefield 1942Battlefield 1942: Road to RomeBattlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWIIHaloQuake IIIQuake III: Team ArenaCommand and Conquer: Red Alert 2Command and Conquer: GeneralsRed FactionHalf LifeHalf Life: Team Fortress ClassicHalf Life: Counter StrikeRank 4:Age of Empires III GDI32.dll : AddFontMemResourceEx
Offler Posted February 16, 2008 Author Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) Demos are not suitable - they contain some bugs which may be not connected with windows 9x. Edited February 16, 2008 by Offler
Zoinkity Posted February 16, 2008 Posted February 16, 2008 Class 5Mechwarriors 2: Mercenaries (requires patch 1.05p or above when used with kernelEX) Specificly, there's a CD read error when going into a stage on all v1.0 games. It's present in XP and oddly enough becomes present in OS's with the kernelEx patch applied. Patching the game with the official 1.05p, 1.06, or 1.1 patches should remedy this. Worth noting at least.
tonich Posted February 17, 2008 Posted February 17, 2008 It’s about time for this thread, eh? Rank 2:Torino 2006 (shouldn't run on Win98, but runs flawlessly, no patching!)------------As for HL2, I’m pretty sure win98 handles it perfectly, but as long as it uses Steam, it is unable to get the game working. Need a workaround to get rid the steam. On the other hand, Source engine is fully Win98 compatible!Valve had fully working Steam under win98 until last summer, when they stopped to support this OS via Steam.Steamless HL2 is the only way to go under Win98. (Assuming you own the game)
Offler Posted February 17, 2008 Author Posted February 17, 2008 some people requested Crysis... i am too lazy to download demo... anybody tried it?
glocK_94 Posted February 17, 2008 Posted February 17, 2008 Very nice idea Offler... once more! Here's an important rank 2 game and add-ons (it uses Python and works just fine on Win9x):Civilization IVCivilization IV WarlordsCivilization IV Beyond the swordPS: I confirm what tonich said about HL2... You shouldn't use steam anyway. The idea to ask a server if you can play a game you bought is just beyond my understanding.oh, and what category games that work with KernelEx go?
Offler Posted February 17, 2008 Author Posted February 17, 2008 games able to run on Win9x with kernel ex go to "rank 2". if i understand your question...also about HL2. i asked support if there should be added to steam a command line switch to skip OS check and try to run Steam on any system. i have to write down the missing exports for steamengine. if they shall be fixed steam and steam shall have a cmd line swith it could work even on Win9x with KEX.
Offler Posted February 20, 2008 Author Posted February 20, 2008 I have analyzed steamengine executables:Steam.EXE - all exports OKexecution is blocked due error messagesteamTMP.exe - all exports OKSteamService.exe - Kernel.32dll: GetConsoleWindow and Advapi32.dll: ChangeServiceConfig2AAt least missing exports, but file can be executed GameoverlayUI.exe - user32.dll: LockSetForgroundWindowWriteminidump.exe - all exports OK
tonich Posted February 27, 2008 Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) Anyone else on steam workaround? --------------------------------Rank 2:Alpine Ski Racing 2007 (shouldn't run on Win98, but works fine, no patching) Note: I installed it under WinXP, as I have a double boot system.Not sure whether it can be installed under Win98, thought. I just didn't try. Edited February 27, 2008 by tonich
Offler Posted July 17, 2008 Author Posted July 17, 2008 i have added some new games in list. i think that i can change version 0.3.2 to 0.3.5 without trouble
Th3_uN1Qu3 Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) Why not merge it with the Compatibility Database i started? It's useless to have 2 topics on the same thing. I'm running KernelEx 0.3.5.On topic: Steam sucks. I am a moderator of a non-steam gaming forum and will always run non-steam. Steam CS 1.6 takes 1 minute to open on my main rig, non-steam CS 1.6 takes 3 seconds. Not mentioning Source games... Besides, HL2 is a singleplayer game. Why should i need an internet connection to play it?I'll be back with my own crappy games list. Edited July 17, 2008 by Th3_uN1Qu3
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