shark007, this is very nice. i have a few more pet peeves concerning msn and i'm positive you could help me. 1) it won't sign me in automatically, even if i have the related box checked 2) i remove the groups "coworkers", "family" and "friends" and next time i run msn they have been re-created. 3) in message windows; remove "my received files", "see a list of activities" and "see a list of games" how could i myself remove those? are you also doing this for other messengers like icq or aim by chance? edit;nevermind, i just found a-patch, heh.