Creative are very unsatisfactory, I have a SB Live 5.1 and I guess its a older card but I had a Yamaha Ds-xg card that worked great but there's no drivers for that either. I don't know if I need my desktop speakers to sound like DR. Dre's sound studio, I just want the **** thing to work. I still got a unfinished, cracked out tone section and no "what you hear" options. I am also stuck using a 2002 driver because the one released for my APU sound like S@#*. Seriously, I thought my card was gonna explode, and I got a BSOD. What about those turtle beach guys I thought they were good.........