Yeah, you should be using the microsoft version from NT4.1. Uncheck Auto Arrange. 2. Place your icons where you want them, and then right click desktop to Line Up Icons/Align to Grid. (This spaces them evenly and neatly) Optional 3. Right click Recycle Bin on the desktop. Save Desktop Icon Layout. 4. Anytime a new item is added to the desktop follow step 3. You will not have any problems whatsoever when you Restore Desktop Icon Layout. 5. DO NOT use the Arrange Icons By feature at all. @ duffy98 I hope you find a solution. Sometimes it right in front of you. But if one chooses to constantly download app after app, and still doesn't find a solution, then maybe its not meant to be.