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flash 11 should install and work on 98SE with kernelex installed FIRST. im not sure which exact version it was, it was a flash player exe file that just installs and works after. no other tweaks or manual modifications are necessary, assuming you have all other necessary official updates, etc. i think you just need to set it in a certain compatibility mode. im more curious to get 98SE running with flash 19.0.0.245 that loblo mentioned, which from my understanding, would only need copying of the npswf32 file of that specific flash player into plug in folder of firefox or opera with the file set to run in xp 32 bit mode?

i have been trying to find sources to mention cpu support / upgrade options for the compaq presario hp v2630us laptop but basically found nothing. the only new source i found recently was the motherboard model which apparently is quanta 3093, but even searching for that board did not bring up anything useful. this particular laptop is a good candidate for windows 98SE, it has the beige / white old school color scheme that i like, 14" screen which is not too big, not too small, making it good for shipping, and has most driver support, mobility x200 driver works using catalyst 6.2, has audio driver, ethernet, etc, but if i plan on using it again, i would like use something a little more powerful than the turion 64 ml-34 cpu, i would like to use if possible, the turion 64 mt-40 as it also uses less wattage too. the bios that i currently have on the laptop is f.25, which according to everest home edition 1.51, shows the system bios date as 4-03-06. f.26 and f.27 on hp's site are listed for the exact model i have, which is ET933UA#ABA, but don't specify information on new processor support and only work in windows xp or newer to update the bios. i searched ebay for v2630us boards which only are am2 sockets with sata but mine has pata ports and is socket 754. i think someone else tried to upgrade their cpu to one of the same voltage on a different laptop with i think the same board but it didn't work out.

you can also try "kbupdate.info" if you haven't done so.

I stand corrected. Apparently an ICH4CORE.INF for 95 does not exist in the Intel INF packages. Other INFs are present that get used under 95 when installed on an ICH4 system, but the one containing the device you need is apparently 98 and up only. Your system will run fine without any specific driver for this device, but I know it can be annoying to have Unknown devices show up. For a "quick and dirty" solution: -extract ICH3CORE.INF for 95 from the last 95 compatible package -extract ICH4CORE.INF for 98SE from a 98SE compatible package -copy the contents of the [iNTEL_SYS] section near the top of the file from the ICH4 file to the same place in the ICH3 file, example: %PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3.DeviceDesc%=NO_DRV,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3 -then move to the bottom of the file (bottom of [strings] section) and copy the ICH4 device identifier strings under INTEL_MFG to the same location in the ICH3 file, example: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3.DeviceDesc="Intel® 82801DB/DBM SMBus Controller - 24C3 " -save the modified ICH3CORE.INF and point your Device Manager to it to update the 24C3 driver. I don't believe any 95 drivers exist for Intel's Gigabit Network cards. I checked the files I have for 95 and no mention of that Device ID. luckily, i found a driver package with the ich4core.inf version 4.00.1001 already extracted from apparently the same installer that wouldn't run on windows 95. for now, the device is in device manager as working which i find suprising. i've encountered a new problem though with speedfan 4.28 giving the windows protection error if i try running it and the laptop turning off after i press a key, perhaps it may have to do with the smbus driver or ich4 chipset, i tested it before installing the driver and after, i also downloaded an early version of everest, version 1.10, and it installed and worked fine, though i didn't see anywhere mentioning cpu temperature, but that could be because of the laptop, also the hard drive temperature had two temperatures where speedfan usually gives one, it said 17 degrees Celsius and 34 degrees celsius for the other one. thanks for the information btw, i will take those things in account.

Export a registry file of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ENUM\PCI on your Windows 95 Setup and attach it here so I can see what device ID's are in your laptop and compare them to my INFs. im not sure what exactly i need to do here but if this helps, below is information of the smbus device below, obtained from regedit - hardware id PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3&SUBSYS_052D1014&REV_01,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3&SUBSYS_052D1014,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3&REV_01,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3 compatible id PCI\CC_0C0500,PCI\CC_0C05 also, im looking for a working windows 95 driver for the following ethernet device "VEN_8086&DEV_101E". i tried version 6.4.16.0 of e1000w9x, but it didn't work, gave a code 2 in device manager with yellow marking, mentioning device failure, try changing driver..

well i was not able to install the smbus driver for the ibm thinkpad t40 laptop that uses the ich4-m chipset despite using all three of the inf update utilities, from versions 2.90.009, 3.20.1008 that you mentioned and 3.30.1010 that i normally use. are you sure that w95 has full driver support for ich4/m based chipsets? i mean, i was able to install the 82802 firmware hub device upon inf update, but i was able to do this before, it was with finding a working smbus driver. perhaps this is the time to modify a newer inf file or use a w98 inf to get it working on w95 or maybe im not looking in the right areas for the right driver?

i've used kbupdate.info in the past for collecting windows 95 updates through reference, and same can be done for windows 98. but if you want the actual updates themselves, most links won't work, even if using waybackmachine, certain updates or hotfixes can be obtained from the microsoftsmallbusiness hotfix request cached sites which still worked not too long ago for me. however, some of the updates you mentioned can already be obtained from the thread below that is right here on msfn, i actually kind of got over collecting official updates for 98SE as there are too many of them anyways to apply individually and im still missing a lot probably, so if you don't mind, the unofficial service pack is not a bad choice as i may plan to just use that and the remaining other updates such as directx 9.0c which should be applied right after, though the setup includes it, it doesn't install for some reason, maybe i don't know how to configure it, but also you need internet explorer 6 with sp1, install that actually before directx 9.0c, than chipset drivers, then unofficial usb mass storage drivers, then graphics driver, then net framework, etc. i still plan on using all official individual updates for w95, except for some side programs and updates such as xusbsupp and opera 10.63 ( unofficial modified version), i have almost all the updates obtained through reference from kbupdate.info for w95 but for w98, i just don't have the energy and feel to do so - http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/84886-the-complete-list-of-hotfixes-updates-for-windows-98se/

when you say other manufacturers may provide the drivers, is that mean integrated where the operating system loads the sata driver without needing ide legacy / compatibility mode or is it something that you would have to install later for sata devices to be properly configured or some other way that isn't automatically done with the motherboard? also with the sata add on cards that have 9x drivers, does that also have to be configured some different way or do the drivers automatically appear and load with the os install?If a SATA chip/chipset manufacturer provides a driver for 9x, then yes, it can be used to install 9x without the need for Legacy IDE PATA mode but you must know how to integrate the driver into the SETUP process.I don't know if it is possible to set up 9x without either legacy mode or pre-integrating the driver (or using rloew's patch as I do), I have never tried. rloew or others may know more about this. No drivers will "automatically appear" and automatically load with the OS install, unless they were already included in the original 9x CABs. Ideally you need the drivers in place beforehand, whether installing from scratch or adding a new card. Another point in favor of rloew's patch, as it patches and uses the already existing 9x IDE driver. ok thanks, that seemed to clear up some confusion.

While "possible" I highly doubt that DOSBOX would be a "desirable" method of running Windows 9x. It's good for DOS programs as intended, but probably VirtualPC or VMware either one would be better choices for virtualizing the whole 9x OS. DOSBOX actually runs under Windows 9x for one, while others are 2K/XP and up only. I haven't used it extensively yet but it does appear to be useful for running older DOS games on newer systems where the CPU is too fast and renders the game unplayable. Best of both worlds? A newer, fast system to run 9x and Windows applications, while having DOSBOX installed to run older DOS programs that don't like the faster hardware. Intel does not provide any SATA controller drivers for Windows 9x. The boards you mentioned are perfectly compatible with Windows 9x so long as you set all SATA devices to Legacy/PATA compatibility mode. The Intel chipset driver packages are actually just text INF's that specifically identify common onboard devices. These are technically not even necessary and a system can run without them. No .VXD, .PDR, .SYS, or any other actual "driver" files are provided. Other chipset manufacturers such as VIA may well provide drivers. I am not as familiar with them as I am with Intel-based systems. when you say other manufacturers may provide the drivers, is that mean integrated where the operating system loads the sata driver without needing ide legacy / compatibility mode or is it something that you would have to install later for sata devices to be properly configured or some other way that isn't automatically done with the motherboard? also with the sata add on cards that have 9x drivers, does that also have to be configured some different way or do the drivers automatically appear and load with the os install?

what exactly is the max speed of sata drives when using ide legacy / compatibility mode in bios? is it 16 MB/s? also, if i were to use the intel d845pebt2 motherboard, does that motherboard have native windows 9x sata drivers so i would not need to use ide compatiblity / legacy mode and the operating system will just load with a working sata driver provided internally by the motherboard? i believe it uses sil 3112a sata controller, well at least for the raid portion, it mentions that, does that mean its also for sata?

which reminds me, none of the sis 760 drivers that i tested on w98SE worked on sis's site, either giving a black screen or not allowing me to change the resolution. i had to manually find a older version which only worked somewhat, allowed increasing screen solution but occasional random freezes, though i don't know if the freeze issues were because of the gpu driver specifically or other factors. i think there was a even an older driver that i found to which i may or may not have tested that had the same hardware or compatible id but mentioned sis 740, the specific laptop i used was the averatec 4155-eh1.

Here. I have it in my slipstream build but without going back and reviewing all my old notes I don't remember how I had to extract it.PCCARD.ZIP thanks, the old pccard.vxd on the w95 system i updated was 4.00.1119, the one you sent is the newest or newer at version 4.00.1121.

bump, does anyone know where to find the newest pccard.vxd for windows 95 and related files such pci.vxd for pc cards / pcmcia? i tried downloading the few limited dell packages with pccard.vxd version 4.00.1121 which someone else mentioned in another forum but the setup for the package did not work, apparently it only works on certain dell models.

ok, i got it working now without needed active desktop enabled, it seems that last time i tried to test it, i either installed it incorrectly and / or the system needed more updates. all i had to do was use the classic opera 10.63 installer, installed it without launching it yet, copied and replaced the old opera.exe file and dll file with the newer ones, and then i was able to launch the browser and it worked fine.

yes, both winsock 2.0 and dcom95 were installed, as well as ie 5.5 with sp2, directx 8.0a, etc, although i don't remember if i tried it with active desktop enabled, perhaps it may work with it enabled, i use windows 95 osr 2.5. my question is simply on the instructions, am i right that all you have to do is install opera 10.63 and replace the dll and exe files with the ones listed on that site and when relaunching, it should work? assuming i have all the other requirements? im gonna go ahead and do the same method as implied with active desktop enabled.

One question that immediately comes to mind is, "Do you have at least Windows Sockets 2.0 for Windows?" Opera 9.5 on Windows 95 requires Windows Sockets 2.0 (published June 15, 2008) The direct link for w95ws2setup.exe is available here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080615142443/http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/e/0/0e05231b-6bd1-4def-a216-c656fbd22b4e/W95ws2setup.exe yes

i bumped this because im interested in running opera 10.63 on windows 95, i browsed the web page that mentions instructions on how to get opera 10.63 to work on w95 but im not sure on the instructions so i tried to manually copy the modified dll and exe opera files in the zipped file on the page and replaced them with the opera 10.63's files but it didn't work. i did this a while ago so i don't remember exactly what i did, i believe i used the classic 10.63 opera installer on windows 95, did not launch the browser, replaced the dll and exe files, then tried launching it but it didnt and gave an error, the download name on the web page says "opera 10.63 windows 95 fix zip package with above fixes", implying as if all the instructions are done? i also want to make it known that im not familiar with hex editors and don't want to use them.

i was wondering if anyone has experimented or used any laptops that are no newer than ich6 based for the chipsets. most, if not all the laptops i used for windows 95 or 98SE builds from like ich2 - ich6 were not able to show the cpu temperatures or other temperatures, except for the hard drive when using either speedfan 4.28 ( works on both windows 95 and 98SE ) or hwmonitor 1.17, works on 98SE. i've used mostly dell inspiron and latitude models and some other random models from different brands. i was thinking there may be some asus models or alienware laptops that may have the internal sensors to show the cpu temperature, the laptops don't need to be fully supported or directly supported in terms of originally having the operating system on them from the start. any thoughts or suggestions?

well now i found out that the intel chipset software installation utlitiy i've been using mostly in the past is version 3.30.1010, which is newer than the ones you mentioned lonecrusader. however, i think i remember using two versions on the same computer where the older version actually installed some other drivers or devices in device manager so the ones you mentioned are probably needed to install everything. im not sure which laptop i used, i think it was the 855GM chipset which i installed on windows 95 but it had the smbus driver missing where i couldn't find the right package at the time to install the driver for it, but i think perhaps an older inf or package that i haven't tried may take care of it. ( correction, it was either the 845mp or mz chipset ) also not relevant to this specific thread but i thought i just post it here as i don't find it absolutely necessary to make another thread for it but i haven't found a proper working driver for the cisco mpi350 mini pci wireless card for windows 95, the oldest one i found and tested was version 1.26 in 2001 but gives a code 2 of device failure in device manager. the semi good news is that the text document lists windows 98 in it so im fairly sure it will work at least on windows 98SE.

i was gonna experiment with nt 4.0 next, though i gave up halfway because i couldn't even login to the operating system and i couldn't find out what exactly i did wrong for that to happen. i think i used the terminal server edition, i picked that one because i thought if i picked the newest or a newer version, i would encounter less problems in general. i think i may try out the regular server version next and see if i can get it even past the login phase lol, there seems to be a lot of limitations though from the research i have done such as the 7.8 GB hard drive limatation which i still have not find a clear answer of what exactly you would have to do to get past it or fix it, like some source said if you have the install disc with service pack 4 at least, then you just format it as the largest it can take without necessarily setting a manual size and then after your within the os, put sp6 on it and it fixes the issue and displays the full size? i do find it attractive though that you can install lots of ram, up to 4 GB i believe without issues ( or at least, that is what wikipedia said ). is this true?

even those specs are slow for windows 95, even those specs are weak for windows 95, i wouldn't recommend anything less than a pentium III for windows 95, unless your strictly doing it for educational purposes and not to re sell it, then the pentium 133 Ghz on w95B or C is fine, for windows 98, i would not use anything less than a pentium 4 or a processor that doesn't have SSE2 instructions, with SSE, its ok with w95 because most people probably won't do much or can't do much extensive work on the internet anyways, your limited to fairly basic sites like craigslist, wikipedia, youtube ( with basic 240p video playback ) if you use the unofficial flash 7 plug in, and other basic sites.

I had wished you would say: "Unless it's a *really new* PC, I prefer Win98SE..." as far as i know, windows 98SE can be made to work fairly modern with all the unofficial updates and work that has been done to it so far, so you can have a near "modern" working pc with the nostalgic feel of a old operating system, 1080p video watching in youtube, playing fairly new games online or offline, use and browse most sites properly like facebook, hotmail, ebay, etc. windows 95 as of now just has too many limitations to make it practical to work as a near modern pc, some of them would be directx 8.0a ( although there are a few dx 8.0a games that look nice ), 8.0a is slightly old for extensive graphics and functionality, no or limited wdm support ( someone correct me if im wrong ), fewer API codes, and just generally harder to build more stable or newer in functioning.

i don't know about the toughbook cf-29 but i had some difficulties getting the intel extreme graphics 2 driver that the toughbook cf-29 also uses to work on windows 98SE on other laptops. either the driver would not work properly despite downloading a windows 98 version, where you would need to find another very specific windows 9x driver or it would work but freeze intermittently on playing videos or any flash related stuff and also dxdiag would indicate it using like no video memory, i think i remember it was only like 9 MB or something ridiculously low, but that could just have to do with using newer unsupported dell dimension desktops with picky bios's on windows 98 which would be a no no, maybe if it was like a asrock 865g board, it would work better, but i dont know. as far as the gpu goes, you should be able to find a working audio driver and ethernet, although be prepared if finding a driver is more difficult than you expect. you will find many pcmcia, usb or mini pci wireless wifi cards that will work on windows 98, though i would avoid pcmcia as my experience with it was not too good, i got resource conflicts and system lockups when trying to confgure pcmcia wifi cards, usb is good but doesn't look practical to me for a laptop. mini pci would be best as its internally and securely installed in the laptop but the problem is some cards not supported, even if they physically fit into the laptop, you will get a message upon booting that the mini pci device is not supported and it has been disabled.

i just checked now and there seems to be an official driver for the geforce 8400gs under windows 2000 basing off the inf file and readme of forceware 163.75 so i think your set for the graphics card.

just looking at the specs and not factoring much of other things, windows 2000 would be the best choice. being that the board you use is an ich7 chipset, it is supported for the chipset part, 4 GB of ram will WORK on windows 2000 ( but may be a little less though, like 3.5 GB or so ), geforce 8400gs might work, but im not sure, i know that the 7000 series are supported officially. even then, it would be easier to make newer hardware to work on windows 2000 than to do the same thing on windows 98SE so there may be a slight advantage of using windows 2000 in general. with all that said, even if you dont use the geforce 8400gs, the gma 950 is supported on windows 2000 which your motherboard uses. the older operating systems have too many limitations and modificiations needed to make it practical to work for your particular setup.